Better player: Curry or Iverson?

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If the Sixers beat the Lakers in the Finals that would mean someone slowed down Shaq or Kobe right? We know AI wasn't slowing down Kobe so that would mean that Shaq was slowed down. You think they would give it to A.I just because he scored the most in the series? Kawhi got it for the same reason Iggy got it. If you slow down the other teams best player in the Finals you have a great shot at getting it.
 

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prime kobe, iverson, tmac, vince, ray >>>>>>>> guards today
You literally named 4 guards besides A.I. Every night Steph sees an allstar caliber point guard for the most part. Name the teams with trash point guards and you won't be able to find 5 of them.

Here's the breakdown:

Lillard
Brandon Knight
Russy
De'Anjelo Russell????????
Deron Williams
Trey Burke
CP3
Holiday
Lawson
Parker

And that's just the point guards in the west. With all due respect, you're tripping. I can easily make the case that Harden is better than Vince ever was if you want to talk 2 guards.
 
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More versatile? man the only thing steph had was better handles so he could shoot off the dribble. Ray allen with the bucks was a fukkin beast. Shoot from anywhere on the court. Drive, pass, shoot. Athletic, could dunk on you. He wasn't just some sg coming off screens and pick and rolls. Ray allen could take you off the dribble. and ray was nice on the defensive end. Please dont sleep on Jesus.


A couple of things:

Ray Allen was a really REALLY good player. He was very athletic, he was able to work off his jumper to get to the hoop. Yes he COULD dunk on you.. .but he didn't very often. A majority, a huge majority, in fact... of his offense was jump shots, and most of it was NOT off the dribble.

In comparison, far fewer of Curry's scoring opportunities (2's or 3's) are assisted. He's got the ball in his hands, he's asked to do the initiating, and he takes guys off the bounce and creates space. And yet their usage is about the same.

Nobody said he was just coming off screens, nobody said any of that. But Curry is better. He's the better more complete player, and it isn't just "handles" - everything about his offense is more versatile.. in fact, without the ability to "dunk on you" Curry still finishes at a higher percentage around the hoop.

Don't let nostalgia fool you, Ray Allen was good... but he was never great in the sense of say... somebody like grant hill who actually WAS great for a few seasons. Allen was really really good for a long time. There's a difference.


Nobody is sleeping on Jesus, and just so you know... I was actually around watching him when that nickname started... you just learned it was a spike lee reference in the last year or two... so pump your brakes, and go do some research.

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and Curry is a great defender

Nobody said he was great. But he's a better defender, and is rated that way by just about every metric that exists. And he does it guarding a HARDER position to cover.

Come with some facts, or don't waste my time.
 
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That's 7players and that's basically it..I would add whitside and noel maybe to that list

Mourning
Garnett
Timmy
Shaq
Bradley
JO
Theo Ratliff
Mutombo
Floppin vlade
Davis twins in indy
Camby
And there still more like ostertag, dampier,young Tyson chandler and drob..

AD led the league in blocks and averaged less than 3 blocks a gm this year...let that sink in:sas2:
 
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You literally named 4 guards besides A.I. Every night Steph sees an allstar caliber point guard for the most part. Name the teams with trash point guards and you won't be able to find 5 of them.

Here's the breakdown:

Lillard
Brandon Knight
Russy
De'Anjelo Russell????????
Deron Williams
Trey Burke
CP3
Holiday
Lawson
Parker

And that's just the point guards in the west. With all due respect, you're tripping. I can easily make the case that Harden is better than Vince ever was if you want to talk 2 guards.

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Brandon knight is an allstar...trey burke..ok breh
 

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Nobody said he was great. But he's a better defender, and is rated that way by just about every metric that exists. And he does it guarding a HARDER position to cover.

Come with some facts, or don't waste my time.


and what facts exactly are you coming with that hes a better defender :mjlol:
 

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You literally named 4 guards besides A.I. Every night Steph sees an allstar caliber point guard for the most part. Name the teams with trash point guards and you won't be able to find 5 of them.

Here's the breakdown:

Lillard
Brandon Knight
Russy
De'Anjelo Russell????????
Deron Williams
Trey Burke
CP3
Holiday
Lawson
Parker

And that's just the point guards in the west. With all due respect, you're tripping. I can easily make the case that Harden is better than Vince ever was if you want to talk 2 guards.

trey burke? :mjlol:
holiday :mjlol:
lawson?
a washed up :dwillhuh:

nikka is you crazy?

the only Allstar PG curry faces is russy, cp3 and damien

russy and damien are SGs in PGs bodies not true points.

Prime Vince >>> Harden don't even go there bruh

Here let's just name the top guards (PG's and SGs) from early 00s and compare them to now

early 00s
Payton
Kidd
Nash
Kobe
Ray
Vince
Tmac
AI
Finley
Stackhouse
young wade
etc..

compared to
curry
russy
harden
cp3
injured d gawd
lilliard
wall
klay
beal
derozan
butler
etc..

It's no contest

the the SGs from back then are better and the PGs like kidd and GP were true PGs, not like russy and damien who are PGs because their to small to play the 2.
 

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trey burke? :mjlol:
holiday :mjlol:
lawson?
a washed up :dwillhuh:

nikka is you crazy?

the only Allstar PG curry faces is russy, cp3 and damien

russy and damien are SGs in PGs bodies not true points.

Prime Vince >>> Harden don't even go there bruh

Here let's just name the top guards (PG's and SGs) from early 00s and compare them to now

early 00s
Payton
Kidd
Nash
Kobe
Ray
Vince
Tmac
AI
Finley
Stackhouse
young wade
etc..

compared to
curry
russy
harden
cp3
injured d gawd
lilliard
wall
klay
beal
derozan
butler
etc..

It's no contest

the the SGs from back then are better and the PGs like kidd and GP were true PGs, not like russy and damien who are PGs because their to small to play the 2.
We can agree to disagree. I see we won't be able to convince one another.
 

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and what facts exactly are you coming with that hes a better defender :mjlol:


He generates more turnovers, all of his plus/minus numbers are better than Allen's... his defensive ratings as well as his defensive win shares rate out better.

Defensive metrics are all kind of wonky, but they all back Curry over Allen. On top of that,

And actually, Curry's defense has improved over the last three seasons, and led to him rating out as a positive outcome defender last season.
 
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