Biden promises to reform H-1B visa system

[Pressure]

Further. Some of you all grossly underestimate how much anti black racism plays a part into you not being hired or you just overestimate your skills.

No amount of banning immigrants will offset that reality.

 

[Pressure]

BTW, companies lie all the time that the talent isn't there. Its bullshyt. As shown in the videos I posted above. They don't want to hire Americans because usually, it requires they provide certain protections and they can't work these people to complete madness under the threat of green card revocation.

With H1B's they tell them you better work this weekend or you may be terminated. You're told to stay longer than normal and skirt around certain worker protections, again under threat of revoking of green cards. Its a system that is rife with abuse and exploitation. Explain to me how this is in line with the compassionate and worker-friendly label liberals at one time cared about having?

Americans have shown they're willing to work with little to no protections.

They've actually spent the better part of a half century voting for people to actually remove those protections.

 

[Pressure]

The funniest part of these threads is that it's usually a bunch of first and second generation immigrants complaining about losing their jobs to immigrants.

 

[theworldismine13]

The funniest part of these threads is that it's usually a bunch of first and second generation immigrants complaining about losing their jobs to immigrants.

that's not even true, me and nap have been screaming from the rafters that immigration hurts low skilled black workers

h1b is just another nail in the coffin

The democrats immigration ideas will basically pound black people Into nothing from both ends of the spectrum

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm still waiting on the data to back up y'alls assertions...

At the big 5 tech companies H1B visa and green card workers are making around 150k.

This is directly at odds with the narrative that they're being hired to undercut pay of American workers.

Let me get this straight, aside from wether it's true or not, your pro h1b argument is that h1b workers make 150k? Lol

 

[Pressure]

Let me get this straight, aside from wether it's true or not, your pro h1b argument is that h1b workers make 150k? Lol

No my argument is a critique on your faulty logic.

 

[Pressure]

that's not even true, me and nap have been screaming from the rafters that immigration hurts low skilled black workers

h1b is just another nail in the coffin

The democrats immigration ideas will basically pound black people Into nothing from both ends of the spectrum

You and nap are both 2nd generation immigrants.

H1B Visas have nothing to do with low skilled workers and has nothing to do with illegal immigration.


I'm merely pointing out Trump's aggressive immigration policies have done nothing to improve the standing of black Americans. Doubling down won't either.

 

[humble forever]

I'm still waiting on the data to back up y'alls assertions...

At the big 5 tech companies H1B visa and green card workers are making around 150k.

This is directly at odds with the narrative that they're being hired to undercut pay of American workers.

The top 10 companies (the big 5 being half of them) to receive H1B's only accounted for 12% of the H1B's in 2019

You're also ignoring the other aspects of importing an H1B worker that appeal to employers.

you really think shyt like this exists just because they can't find workers?

I'm merely pointing out Trump's aggressive immigration policies have done nothing to improve the standing of black Americans. Doubling down won't either.

Illegal Immigration has directly harmed black americans. For you to think that a nation will take in potentially 20 million people without harming its poorest citizens is straight delusional

By the end of the 1960s, black workers predominated on the lines.

It was an important win for African-Americans looking for an alternative to housework in wealthy white homes, or for those who had seen fieldwork dry up in an increasingly mechanized agricultural sector.

“The chicken plant,” Dr. Stuesse quoted a civil rights veteran saying, “replaced the cotton field.”

But as American chicken consumption boomed in the 1980s, manufacturers went in search of “cheaper and more exploitable workers,” Dr. Stuesse wrote, chiefly Latin American immigrants.

At the time, the Koch plant in Morton was owned by a local company, B.C. Rogers Poultry, which organized efforts to recruit Hispanics from the Texas border as early as 1977. Soon, the company was operating a sizable effort it called “The Hispanic Project,” bringing in thousands of workers and housing them in trailers.

After ICE Raids, a Reckoning in Mississippi’s Chicken Country

here's a story about illegal immigration directly harming black americans, and immigration enforcement providing them jobs.

keep posting your bullshyt tho

 

[Dr. Acula]

Americans have shown they're willing to work with little to no protections.

They've actually spent the better part of a half century voting for people to actually remove those protections.

I've seen plenty of American workers have outright arguments with their boss when the boss tries to push them too much. A H1B will not do this.

These are facts. I'm sure you can at least agree with this. If a boss came up and asked you or asked someone in your workplace to immediately work on the weekend that is outside of your normal hours and without justifiable reason simply because he wants you to do more work, you'd flip your lid. Imagine if instead your employment and actual ability to stay in the country depended on being compliant with any request by your boss, you're less likely to speak out. This is what happens with a lot of H1Bs. Its exploitive either through explicit or inexplicit threats to their ability to live here. Similar to the issue with low skilled immigration who are under constant threats of deportation if they don't just swallow any bullshyt that is handed to them.

Also keep in mind, as an American we can just quit and go to another job. H1Bs will be deported immediately after they quit and will have to wait to get approved for another green card to work at another company before being approved again.

Does this sound like a system that a worker-friendly and compassionate party like the Democrats should support? This is the same group of people that will decry sweatshop labor but then gladly embrace this while rationalizing it "improves diversity". You mention the wage decline not being affected but it does affect job availability which is just as important if not more so.

By the way, they do get paid less which is the goal of the program. Not "bringing the best or the brightest" which again is progressive sounding rhetoric stolen to dress up ruthless bottom line chasing. At least when it comes to computer science and engineering which I'm mostly referencing. I know for example they are hired to work in the medical fields which are actually understaffed compared to demand so in those cases I think they get paid more.

By the way, the one policy I agree with some Republicans on which I saw Ted Cruz of all people propose a couple of years ago and Trump has purposed is forcing these companies to either pay the exact salary as most of their non-h1b employees or actually pay more. Call their bluff of "We don't have enough US talent". If you don't have the US talent then maybe that means the job demands more pay since talent is more scarce. So when you bring in that H1B act like you really needed that "outside talent" and actually pay them more money. This is a good policy.

 

[Pressure]

I've seen plenty of American workers have outright arguments with their boss when the boss tries to push them too much. A H1B will not do this.

These are facts. I'm sure you can at least agree with this. If a boss came up and asked you or asked someone in your workplace to immediately work on the weekend that is outside of your normal hours and without justifiable reason simply because he wants you to do more work, you'd flip your lid. Imagine if instead your employment and actual ability to stay in the country depended on being compliant with any request by your boss, you're less likely to speak out. This is what happens with a lot of H1Bs. Its exploitive either through explicit or inexplicit threats to their ability to live here. Similar to the issue with low skilled immigration who are under constant threats of deportation if they don't just swallow any bullshyt that is handed to them.

Also keep in mind, as an American we can just quit and go to another job. H1Bs will be deported immediately after they quit and will have to wait to get approved for another green card to work at another company before being approved again.

Does this sound like a system that a worker-friendly and compassionate party like the Democrats should support? This is the same group of people that will decry sweatshop labor but then gladly embrace this while rationalizing it "improves diversity". You mention the wage decline not being affected but it does affect job availability which is just as important if not more so.

By the way, they do get paid less which is the goal of the program. Not "bringing the best or the brightest" which again is progressive sounding rhetoric stolen to dress up ruthless bottom line chasing. At least when it comes to computer science and engineering which I'm mostly referencing. I know for example they are hired to work in the medical fields which are actually understaffed compared to demand so in those cases I think they get paid more.

By the way, the one policy I agree with some Republicans on which I saw Ted Cruz of all people propose a couple of years ago and Trump has purposed is forcing these companies to either pay the exact salary as most of their non-h1b employees or actually pay more. Call their bluff of "We don't have enough US talent". If you don't have the US talent then maybe that means the job demands more pay since talent is more scarce. So when you bring in that H1B act like you really needed that "outside talent" and actually pay them more money. This is a good policy.

You're just hoping something sticks. I'm asking you to make a coherent data driven argument.

Not an emotional anecdotally charged word salad.

 

[Conan]

People in here actually caping for an increase in H-1b visas? Wow

 

[ill]

I'm still waiting on the data to back up y'alls assertions...

At the big 5 tech companies H1B visa and green card workers are making around 150k.

This is directly at odds with the narrative that they're being hired to undercut pay of American workers.

Saying H1B's are making 150k means nothing when the local American would have earned 200k for that same job. Thats quite literally the reason for importing workers...they're cheaper.

 

[Red Shield]

yall aruging with pressure about this again

People in here actually caping for an increase in H-1b visas? Wow

nah it's just pressure doin it

 

[Conan]

yall aruging with pressure about this again


nah it's just pressure doin it

Ah, fair enough.

 

[Dr. Acula]

You're just hoping something sticks. I'm asking you to make a coherent data driven argument.

Not an emotional anecdotally charged word salad.

First off, word salad implies unintelligible and hard to understand series of thoughts and words. I got to protest that dig. I think a better dig would have been "wall of text" or call my post a PhD thesis before dismissing it. I think my ability to construct a good argument is one of my talents.


Secondly, here are some links to support some of my posts. At the biggest firms like Amazon, Facebook, and the like they tend to provide more competitive salaries. An argument can be made they are most likely to follow the rules since they are at the forefront of the industry and more likely to be scrutinized. This perception is even evident in the fact that this is who you immediately referenced when making your point while ignoring they make up a fraction of the total industry.

However, the abuse happens in other less popular companies which there are a lot more of. See here.

The fix is in: Proof that H-1B visa abuse is rampant

H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

Investigation Reveals Silicon Valley's Abuse of Immigrant Tech Workers

How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers

The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn’t helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable positions, according to EPI. Experts who track labor conditions in the technology sector say that older, more expensive workers are particularly vulnerable to being undercut by their foreign counterparts. “You can be an exact match and never even get a phone call because you are too expensive,” says Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California-Davis. “The minute that they see you’ve got 10 or 15 years of experience, they don’t want you.”

A 2007 study by the Urban Institute concluded that America was producing plenty of students with majors in science, technology, engineering, and math (the “STEM” professions)—many more than necessary to fill entry-level jobs. Yet Matloff sees this changing as H-1B workers cause Americans to major in more-lucrative fields such as law and business. “In terms of the number of people with graduate degrees in STEM,” he says, “H-1B is the problem, not the solution.”