"Big never forgave me for selling Doin' It to LL"

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the question is why did he produce the track without any guarantees of payment?
So we ignoring Puff saying he was gonna pay him? Beyond that you really asking for an explantion as to why a producer, produced something?
 

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the question is why did he produce the track without any guarantees of payment?

He made the beat, Big heard it, told him to hold it. Cause he had to wait for certain date for the budget to be released for the album
 

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He made the beat, Big heard it, told him to hold it. Cause he had to wait for certain date for the budget to be released for the album

No him and BIG talked, during that convo BIG told him there was no budget, he produced the track then went to Puff and was told the same thing
 

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No him and BIG talked, during that convo BIG told him there was no budget, he produced the track then went to Puff and was told the same thing

That's not the full clip. Money wasn't going to be available till certain time. And it was gonna be 30 from Puff
 

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So we ignoring Puff saying he was gonna pay him? Beyond that you really asking for an explantion as to why a producer, produced something?

Who is ignoring that, trusting anyone based on a promise especially in the music business is a fools errand. The producer made the track based on a conversation for a specific album, an album was only in spec mode and had no assigned budget, it's really not that hard breh
 

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Who is ignoring that, trusting anyone based on a promise especially in the music business is a fools errand. The producer made the track based on a conversation for a specific album, an album was only in spec mode and had no assigned budget, it's really not that hard breh
Ok so why get mad at him for actually making money off of his creation. Cant call making the track a fools errand and criticize him for profiting off of it.
 

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If you are suing someone it typically has to be tied to a violation of an agreement and some type of loss.
Hard to say they had a real agreement when he came to him with the beats and they didn't want to put a deposit down.

Who do you exactly mean “came to him with the beats?
I think you’re getting the story confused
 

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Who do you exactly mean “came to him with the beats?
I think you’re getting the story confused
Rashad literally said he came to Biggie with the beats and asked if they could give him something and they didn't have the budget so he sold it to lighty when he asked and said he would pay double.
 

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This might be a reach but walk with me on this nikkas lol. I'm hearing some of you breaking down the timeline which is where I'm heading with this. If you guys remember the Netflix special on Big's LAD album, Klepto mentioned being in the studio when Big laid the vocals down for Who Shot Ya (while LL was there too) & he took that jab at Uncle L with: "Old school new school need to learn though......" Does anyone think he did that because of L snatching that beat?

I know it's a stretch but you never know

nah, ‘who shot ya‘ was recorded in mid ‘94 … that‘s like a year & a half before Rashad made the ‘doing it’ track


 

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Rashad literally said he came to Biggie with the beats and asked if they could give him something and they didn't have the budget so he sold it to lighty when he asked and said he would pay double.

nah, that’s not the full story.
The full story is Rashad and biggie had a conversation and biggie told him he had a concept an idea for a new song for his up-and-coming double album
Biggie specifically told Rashad that he wanted Al Be Sure hit song and the very beginning of Grace Jones song called My Jamaican Guy as a track

Rashad sampled & combined the two songs in which he created the track
again, I only brought up suing because of some of the posters response, and I only was using it as a technicality
At the end of the day, the idea concept in the creativity of the track came from biggie in that case technically he would’ve had the right to sue if he wanted too
 

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I think lyrically speaking, BIG would’ve done better, but in regards to the overall mainstream success of the song- LL was far more marketable; for THAT type of song.

LL, already being a sex symbol to women at the time, pushed that song to heights BIG would’ve never been able to push it.

:what:

have u ever heard of
  • one more chance remix
  • big poppa
both were more successful than ‘doing it’
 

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nah, that’s not the full story.
The full story is Rashad and biggie had a conversation and biggie told him he had a concept an idea for a new song for his up-and-coming double album
Biggie specifically told Rashad that he wanted Al Be Sure hit song and the very beginning of Grace Jones song called My Jamaican Guy as a track

Rashad sampled & combined the two songs in which he created the track
again, I only brought up suing because of some of the posters response, and I only was using it as a technicality
At the end of the day, the idea concept in the creativity of the track came from biggie in that case technically he would’ve had the right to sue if he wanted too
man I listen to the same damn story you did.
He brought the beats to them and they didn't want to buy it.
There is nothing to sue.
No different than if you told me you want some cabinets with a shaker door and a reddish orange stain and I brought them to you and said if you want them they are here, can you give me a down payment or something and you say nah man just wait, and then Rekka comes to me and says I'll give you double what he was going to pay for them.

I didn't do you wrong even if I built it to your spec, we had no contractual agreement.
 

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That's not the full clip. Money wasn't going to be available till certain time. And it was gonna be 30 from Puff

Nobody on earth believes Puff didn’t have 5 stacks to throw that man to hold beats his supposed best friend wanted.
 

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man I listen to the same damn story you did.
He brought the beats to them and they didn't want to buy it.
There is nothing to sue.
No different than if you told me you want some cabinets with a shaker door and a reddish orange stain and I brought them to you and said if you want them they are here, can you give me a down payment or something and you say nah man just wait, and then Rekka comes to me and says I'll give you double what he was going to pay for them.

I didn't do you wrong even if I built it to your spec, we had no contractual agreement.

:snoop:

u clearly didn’t listen to the whole entire interview
because you’re leaving out the fact of the initial conversation between him and biggie
with biggie exactly , specifically telling him what samples he wanted on his own track for his album
 
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