Big Pun washed the best of NY in one verse

[Billy Ocean]

I love Pun. Incredible MC. As a kid I wore Big Pun t-shirts and had posters of him on my wall. With that said, nikkas is fukking wildin in this thread. Capital Punishment is not a universal classic (close tho) and he was washed on his second album, which was mediocre at best. And as much as a beast as he was during those 2 or 3 years at his best, he still wasn't a better or more feared spitter than Canibus at that time.

nikkas in here got the gall to say all time he's as good or better than Pac, BIG and Nas

 

[Killalex]

fukk outta here

Big and pac were just rappers and sellouts.
Pun was one of the best skilled emcees period.
From rhe first bar sin set it till death.
Pac and big in timeline were never on pun level.

Not even nas.
Nas a luke dancer rapper. He can perform. Rhen has a wet t shirt contest like he luke.

Then don't even fukk the einner of his own wet t shirt contest. I did tho.
I fukked nas wet tshirt contest winner.
Who look like what if jill scott face.
Was transplanted on jessica rabbit body.



I seen pun on a damn breathing machine.
Remove a breathing machine.
To then,.....Go downstairs.
From thos weak skinny huff ass house of blues steps. On stage in a chair and murder shyt.


If you think Pac and big were up to snuff

why were they not showing and proving.
when pun debuted in funk flex in 95.

Oh i thought so.
Y'all nikkaz viacom and homebodies.
Y'all ain't cypha nowhere and if you did.
it was not noted.
Simply cause you was not the protege to the legend. Nor were you juice.


I am the protege to juice.

Protege to a legend and it is an undisputed fact.

If so post the radio station and on air dj.

Oh i thought so.

You nikkaz living a wack mic Geronimo.
Meets mary bunim and ellis wannabe reality tv show fake ass lives.


Nobody who really killed cyphas is fooled.


Art Barr

C'mon man

Even you don't believe this

 

[Sir Brehsington]

I love Pun. Incredible MC. As a kid I wore Big Pun t-shirts and had posters of him on my wall. With that said, nikkas is fukking wildin in this thread. Capital Punishment is not a universal classic (close tho) and he was washed on his second album, which was mediocre at best. And as much as a beast as he was during those 2 or 3 years at his best, he still wasn't a better or more feared spitter than Canibus at that time.

nikkas in here got the gall to say all time he's as good or better than Pac, BIG and Nas

nikkas is smoking crack!

And Pun was dope.

 

[spliz]

The internet exposes the dumb nikkas. Imma leave it at that. And this a day one Pun fan over here. He def ain’t better than Nas. Never been. nikkas sayin he better than Pac, Biggie and Nas need to get their heads checked.

 

[DaHNIC82]

I remember hearing Fast Money for the first time and was mind blown

 

[Mike Wins]

I remember hearing Fast Money for the first time and was mind blown

His most underrated track. Someone told me once a knock against Pun is he got no storytelling tracks

 

[Taadow]

He fell off by that 2nd album.

Nope.

That album just wasn’t the super-street, tornado of lyrics the first one was.

It’s like the difference between Kurupt on Dogg Food and Kuruption!;
you could tell there were two different mindsets on each album - I think it was the same for Pun.

Yeeeeeah Baby was more of an album where he made more...(the best term would be) polished, commercial songs instead of just bar-feats.

Also - you can tell it was a pieced-together album because he just died.
It wasn’t really a whole Pun album.
It only had like 15 cuts, when the 1st album had more than 20...

His vocal levels on “You Was Wrong” sound different than everybody elses, like they just made the song around the one verse and hook he had. And Tony Sunshine and Remy each had a song damn near all to themselves.

But nah, he hadn’t fell off....”Watch Those” is still one of the hardest songs to kick off an album OAT.
And right after that, “Off With His Head” seemed like it was gonna be the opposite of that, but nope!
“Leatherface” and “Wrong Ones” go hard, too.

(sidebar: this is the album that made me aware of Just Blaze. When I heard a Just was working with Jay I didn’t know how that was gonna turn out, because I didn’t hear Jay rhyming over the kinda beats Just gave Pun. That was before the Soul Sample Renaissance, doe.)

And besides - the side projects he had done in between the albums had shown he was still solid, even if they were commercial songs. Like “Who Is A Thug”, the Beenie Man joint, the Luke joint, etc.

So no - I can’t go with anybody saying he fell off with the second album. He was pushed off, by death.

 

[Taadow]

Yeh but Big L and Big Pun were just rappers .. . Big and Pac were more than that

We all “just rappers” in a cipher, homie.

Word to Guru - you either got it, or you don’t.
Most don’t.

 

[Living Bait]

We all “just rappers” in a cipher, homie.

Word to Guru - you either got it, or you don’t.
Most don’t.

Not exactly the case my friend . . Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were just rappers
. . . Both got number 1 spots. . . Coolio got a number 1 spot, but It Takes A Thief is a stone cold classic . . .

Id go as far to say It Takes A Thief is better than Capital Punishment . . . But if i said Coolio is better than Pun i'd be looked at sideways

Depends if you want a lyrical miracle , or someone with substance

 

[Houston911]

Pun was incredible

 

[Taadow]

Not exactly the case my friend . . Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were just rappers
. . . Both got number 1 spots. . . Coolio got a number 1 spot, but It Takes A Thief is a stone cold classic . . .

Id go as far to say It Takes A Thief is better than Capital Punishment . . . But if i said Coolio is better than Pun i'd be looked at sideways

Depends if you want a lyrical miracle , or someone with substance

I’m talmbat in a cipher, fammo.

You put Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Coolio, & Pun in one room and throw a beat on
the only chit that matters is who came off.












(Sidebar: but while you brought it up - I also think It Takes A Thief is a classic, and it wouldn’t argue anybody saying it’s better than Capital Punishment...)

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

no lack'n no passes.
no ability to free you are wack...
y'all nikkaz be giving nikkaz passes for lacking the basic fundies.

fukk JAY Z, but JAY Z hardknock LIFE : fukk,..nah




supernatural sure as hell isn't the answer. to your last question.

rakim and g rap don't want no smoke with me.

fukk'chu mean boi....

i can't speak for ju tho.

i don't speak for ju, either tho.

i speak at that table tho



art barr

*fun rant terms

fundies = basic fundamental emcee skills. you know being able to freestyle, pengame, convincability, vocal tonality,...
we been throughed't this for a quarter century of reviews by now...catch up.
the retard of the class@Ronnie.
knows more than most of you about emcee'n.
by just listening and ruining his audience to converse on the topic with



Art Barr

eman tha viking

you still didn't answer the question. Are Juice and Supernatural better than Rakim and G rap all time due to freestyle ability?

 

[Cladyclad]

You offbrand as hell.


Art Barr

Lol

 

[Living Bait]

I’m talmbat in a cipher, fammo.

You put Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Coolio, & Pun in one room and throw a beat on
the only chit that matters is who came off..

Yeh Pun all day every day. .

But Canibus was washing cyphers to bits around that time too. . .his album was wishy washy . . Put an album together like Illmatic, Ready To Die, or Stricktly and we can have the discussion . . . Capital Punishment is a great album
. . . But. . . . . Lets be realistic . . .

 

[Yehuda]

Big and pac were just rappers and sellouts.
Pun was one of the best skilled emcees period.

Nuff said /thread