Bill Maher: “Listen, Everyone Had Slaves & Practiced Slavery”

[LuuqMaan]

Yeah, I’m not liking this small movement on the internet about everyone having slaves.
Even some black manosphere dudes starting to relay this shyt

 

[RareHunter]

Hebrews did not build the pyramids. Egyptians did.

Egyptians used hebrews for 430yrs tho (Negroes of the slave trade), to do their labor. Not sure if they built pyramids tho. Mureeka has done the same thing and made negroes build their kingdom as did all white nations.

 

[Grizzly]

Bill Maher is such an annoying insufferable relic cac fakkit. Can't believe his weak ass show is still on air.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Egyptians used hebrews for 430yrs tho (Negroes of the slave trade), to do their labor. Not sure if they built pyramids tho.

You again!?

Odiegwu

 

[Remote]

Here’s the thing, it boils down to when WHITE people considered something racist, and wrong. It never mattered what we thought was wrong or racist. It was about what THEY thought, and their values.

So to say, “That’s just the way it was back then”, exposes them thinking their lives are the only ones that matter.

Could you kidnap white Americans, and sell them to a plantation like free black people? Free black Americans could be kidnapped, and sold into slavery.

I don't look at it that way.

I don't think the point here is to say "slavery was more common back then so it's it was okay". I don't think any rational person would make that argument.

I think the point is, at any given point in history, we are ALL doing something or thinking something that in the future will be judged through a different lens.

People are focusing on slavery in this thread but it applies to EVERYTHING.

Your great, great grandfather might have had a son who worked in coal mines when he was 4 years old. Through this lens now, that's a horrific thing. Does it make your great, great grandfather a piece of shyt? I don't know. In his time child labor was a different thing. Were there people back then who advocated against it? Sure. Just like even in George Washington's time, people were against slavery. I'm just making an example here but can you see the broader point here?

The point is...address the context.

In 200 years people might look back at people from this generation as pieces of shyt for driving cars and destroying the planet. Will they be wrong? I don't know. Does it make car drivers in 2021 fukking a$$holes? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. But CONTEXT is going to matter no matter what.

 

[Json]

There’s some unique in the Americas about the systemic killing of an indigenous population and the transportation of an entire other population to build on top of it.

I feel like most conquering nations simply killed the indigenous population and moved in or they took them as colonies (India) to enrich their homeland.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

This is how white people try to minimize the impact of the transatlantic slave trade by saying that every society had slavery but it was the transatlantic slave trade that laid down the foundation for modern day racism and white supremacy. And still to this day the descendants of those enslaved have not received reparations so how is that Justice?

Oh and fukk Bill Maher. He's really come out of the closet as white supremacist adjacent. He criticized trump and trumpism only to become trump like himself in his views and opinions.

It's wild to think about because he also has Jewish heritage. He'd be first one into the death camps these cacs want to make if they get their way.

I don't know why HBO still fukks with him. He hasn't been funny for over 20 years.

 

[Marc Spector]

I don't look at it that way.

I don't think the point here is to say "slavery was more common back then so it's it was okay". I don't think any rational person would make that argument.

I think the point is, at any given point in history, we are ALL doing something or thinking something that in the future will be judged through a different lens.

People are focusing on slavery in this thread but it applies to EVERYTHING.

Your great, great grandfather might have had a son who worked in coal mines when he was 4 years old. Through this lens now, that's a horrific thing. Does it make your great, great grandfather a piece of shyt? I don't know. In his time child labor was a different thing. Were there people back then who advocated against it? Sure. Just like even in George Washington's time, people were against slavery. I'm just making an example here but can you see the broader point here?

The point is...address the context.

In 200 years people might look back at people from this generation as pieces of shyt for driving cars and destroying the planet. Will they be wrong? I don't know. Does it make car drivers in 2021 fukking a$$holes? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. But CONTEXT is going to matter no matter what.

The point you are missing here is that Cac America doesn't think slavery was that big of a deal in the first place and refuses to acknowledge how the past slavery informs the socioeconomic fabric of America today.

Bill is being disingenuous and conflating two points. Pointing out the phenomenon of presentism does not minimize the damage that slavery has on African Americans today.

The way he harped on American slavery as if people are just blowing it out of proportion tells me everything I need to know about him.

 

[Remote]

The point you are missing here is that Cac America doesn't think slavery was that big of a deal in the first place and refuses to acknowledge how the past slavery informs the socioeconomic fabric of America today.

Bill is being disingenuous and conflating two points. Pointing iut the phenomenon of presentism does not minimize the damage that slavery has on African-Americans today.

Cac America or Bill Maher? I thought we are talking about Bill Maher in this thread given the video.

Of course slavery was a big deal. The country would have never gotten off the ground without it and it's a national stain that has never been dealt with.
But I don't think that's the point here.

I think the point is judging the 1600s (or any period of time) through a 2022 lens is tricky at best. If people could just stick to that topic, I think it'd be a better discussion. But that's not what's happening here. I think a lot of people are saying "yeah that's fair, but what about dot dot dot..." And shyt is going off the rails.

 

[Fillerguy]

I think this board is being ridiculous.

I don’t think Bill Maher was absolving people in the past for their behavior. But rather suggesting the context is important.

I agree that judging the past through a modern lens is disingenuous at best and preposterous at worst.

He also didn’t just speak on slavery but also feminism and transgender issues as well.

But if this board wants to pretend otherwise have at it.

There is plenty to criticize Bill Maher about but he’s right that context matters when it comes to history.

No you don't because we literally do that shyt all the time, every moment.

It becomes a problem when its done academically. He aren't scholars. We are laymen looking at history and saying " that was wrong, we can be better"

 

[Marc Spector]

Cac America or Bill Maher? I thought we are talking about Bill Maher in this thread given the video.

Of course slavery was a big deal. The country would have never gotten off the ground without it and it's a national stain that has never been dealt with.
But I don't think that's the point here.

I think the point is judging the 1600s (or any period of time) through a 2022 lens is tricky at best. If people could just stick to that topic, I think it'd be a better discussion. But that's not what's happening here. I think a lot of people are saying "yeah that's fair, but what about dot dot dot..." And shyt is going off the rails.

You are giving Bill Maher and other cacs too much credit.

They are not coming from a place of intellectualism and critical thought when deconstructing presentism about American Slavery.

Its a diversionary tactic to keep from talking modern consequences of slavery.

People aren't stupid and realize that a lot of atrocities committed in the past were not Taboo in those societies. The past atrocities of American slavery isnt alone why their is a wave of critique and review of topics like reparations. Its because it affects today in a very significant way.

 

[LeaveMyHairLineAlone]

Are you stupid? He’s telling a joke

Are you Jewish?

 

[TDA92]

Did they have slaves in the United States, then terrorize the former slaves, and make them second class citizens decades after being forced to free them?

THIS

Did everyone also experience Jim Crow and were they "separate but equal?" Did everyone have their own separate water fountains and bathrooms to use as well? I don't think every group was killed in sundown towns, lynched and or needed a civil rights movement.

But yeah, sLavEry!1!

 

[Remote]

You are giving Bill Maher and other cacs too much credit.

They are not coming from a place of intellectualism and critical thought when deconstructing presentism about American Slavery.

Its a diversionary tactic to keep from talking modern consequences of slavery.

People aren't stupid and realize that a lot of atrocities committed in the past were not Taboo in those societies. The past atrocities of American slavery isnt alone why their is a wave of critique and review of topics like reparations. Its because it affects today in a very significant way.

Alright.

If people want to twist things and say "everyone owned slaves, it wasn't that bad or a big deal back then" that's absolutely disingenuous and bullshyt. And that needs to be called out.

I agree with you.

But what I'm saying is, times and people are complex and if we're going to look at history we have to assign the best possible context, right? Like, I really don't think this is a controversial thing to say. Alexander the Great massacred hundreds of thousands of people, right? A horrific and scumbag thing by any measure. But he was also a military genius, right? Like, both things can be true, right? That's all I'm trying to say. Context and nuance matters. That doesn't mean I'm ignoring or absolving bad shyt that people have done in the past.

Maybe Dave Chappelle put it more simply:



It's complicated.
"And we'd both be right..."

 

[Reflected]

Bill Maher is an idiot btw.