Black Feminism

[Drew Wonder]

Black men and black women in america have been hand in hand in struggle since slavery and the white man put forth efforts to give the black woman power of the white man. The black man is not oppressing the black woman or acting in a way to put her on an unequal footing to him financially, politically or socially. Now, hoodrats often face struggle being treated equal to regular women because of their ignorantly flamboyant attitudes but outside of that, we arent the ones holding black women back. We arent paying them less money, we arent denying them access to politics and we arent treating them like less how they act in public, so i dont see the vision of a black feminist. A feminist is a feminist, fukk is a black feminist. The majority of women who identify as black feminist are lesbians and a lot of times these women are just trying to break away from the the natural relationship dynamics that exist in the world.

your first mistake is thinking that true black feminists believe black men are the enemy. racist white men are their enemy. that's what me and Phourtay keep trying to tell ya'll

 

[AAKing23]

what does "black feminism" actually represent though? if it was really about helping the black community there would have been no need to detach from the civil rights movement and join the feminist party in the first place

Exactly.


This really leads me to believe that there's a different agenda

 

[Mowgli]

your first mistake is thinking that true black feminists believe black men are the enemy. racist white men are their enemy. that's what me and Phourtay keep trying to tell ya'll

This true black feminist you identify is not the majority. You are talking a bout a small minority and many of these women while sharing some ideology with feminism do not identify themselves as feminists. YOU are saying their feminists, they arent. There are a few of these types of women. SOme switch hit and get on the feminist tip when it serves then and then bounce into the black power tip when it serves them. Tariq isnt talking about the woman you are describing but i dnt think youve listened to the podcasts where he broke that down.

 

[AAKing23]

your first mistake is thinking that true black feminists believe black men are the enemy. racist white men are their enemy. that's what me and Phourtay keep trying to tell ya'll

Then why not call it civil rights

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

like I said, it represents a fight against white male patriarchy. where it differs from the more mainstream civil rights movement is that there's also an emphasis of the sexist aspects of white male patriarchy. it sheds light on how that's affected both black men and women. and black feminism is completely different than white feminism which doesn't really focus on white privilege or racism. that's why black feminists differentiate themselves from mainstream feminism

where is the seperation needed though? black men and women originally are both hated and discriminated on equally by whites so what is the big point in needing a feminist party? men didnt come together and form a maleism? alliance group so why women? black feminists differentiate themselves from regular feminism but it also divides the black community even more so

 

[Drew Wonder]

This true black feminist you identify is not the majority. You are talking a bout a small minority and many of these women while sharing some ideology with feminism do not identify themselves as feminists.

i'm giving you the true, academic definition of it. I'm sure more people have seen youtube videos of random black people spouting conspiracy theories then have read the works of true black intellectuals. but that doesn't mean black intellectualism should be defined by youtube conspiracy theorists

the attitude a lot of people have towards black feminism is no different than ignorant white people who dismiss the black power movement as nothing more than angry black people with guns screaming "kill whitey." it's much more complex and deeper than that

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Yea i have and ive dated black feminists as well. We are still human beings and have motivations for delving into certain types of literature. You cannot become words in a book as easy as you think. You can read every feminist book under the sun and still act in a manner that isnt constructive to the black community but instead destructive. This is also going to play a part in their relationship dynamics with men.

I think you dont understanding. No one is saying that hoodrats and feminists are the same. We're saying they are 2 destructive elements in the black community. Like thugs and fakkits.

as far as you first paragraph, that's obvious for anything and anyone. that still doesn't mean there's a problem with black feminism nor does that mean that women with these disjointed concepts are a representation of the ideal.

and i'd like to know how a group that promotes anti-sexism, anti-racism, and an anti-white patriarchal structures are exactly detrimental towards the black community and would even be linked back towards obviously bad elements in the black community such as hoodrats. it makes little to know sense UNLESS you're talking about how people misapply black feminism, which they're not feminists anyways so to talk about how things have been misapplied isn't a fault of the concept as much as it's the fault of those applying it...

 

[DaChampIsHere]

your first mistake is thinking that true black feminists believe black men are the enemy. racist white men are their enemy. that's what me and Phourtay keep trying to tell ya'll

I don't see why you are trying. Everybody in this thread can easily google the terms "black feminism" click on the Wikipedia article and read about the history, purpose, figures, etc.

Why are you arguing with people who clearly have never even done this simple thing yet, just take what they hear from a podcast or make up themselves as 100% fact?

Dudes are clearly not that bright if they can't muster up the mental fortitutude to look up a simple definition and see how wrong they are. These people want to believe what they already have imagined and are intent on doing such regardless of the info you or anyone else could place in front of them.

 

[Drew Wonder]

Then why not call it civil rights

you do realize there are many sub-groups within the civil rights movement with different views and approaches to black improvement right?

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Then why not call it civil rights

because it focuses on sexism too. the civil rights movement didn't focus on that. as far as i'm concerned, that's probably really the point you're all missing: sexism. it (black feminism) basically says all these elements are what's wrong in american society and they're linked together. you won't get rid of oppressive forces completely unless you tackle all of them...

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

where is the seperation needed though? black men and women originally are both hated and discriminated on equally by whites so what is the big point in needing a feminist party? men didnt come together and form a maleism? alliance group so why women? black feminists differentiate themselves from regular feminism but it also divides the black community even more so

you don't feel that sexism is a problem in america?

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

I don't see why you are trying. Everybody in this thread can easily google the terms "black feminism" click on the Wikipedia article and read about the history, purpose, figures, etc.

Why are you arguing with people who clearly have never even done this simple thing yet, just take what they hear from a podcast or make up themselves as 100% fact?

Dudes are clearly not that bright if they can't muster up the mental fortitutude to look up a simple definition and see how wrong they are. These people want to believe what they already have imagined and are intent on doing such regardless of the info you or anyone else could place in front of them.

you right. not arguing with you there. i just commented because i remember i made a post about it a long time ago and it just completely went over people's heads here. no one quoted me, no one said anything about it. i think the only comment i received was one questioning my sexuality because i'd taken a course on black feminism. i consider the question ludicrous though considering my degree is in african-american studies and black feminism is a movement that's part of african-american history. more importantly, it's one that's often overlooked and stereotyped due to misinformation...

 

[Mowgli]

i'm giving you the true, academic definition of it. I'm sure more people have seen youtube videos of random black people spouting conspiracy theories then have read the works of true black intellectuals. but that doesn't mean black intellectualism should be defined by youtube conspiracy theorists

the attitude a lot of people have towards black feminism is no different than ignorant white people who dismiss the black power movement as nothing more than angry black people with guns screaming "kill whitey." it's much more complex and deeper than that

as far as you first paragraph, that's obvious for anything and anyone. that still doesn't mean there's a problem with black feminism nor does that mean that women with these disjointed concepts are a representation of the ideal.

and i'd like to know how a group that promotes anti-sexism, anti-racism, and an anti-white patriarchal structures are exactly detrimental towards the black community and would even be linked back towards obviously bad elements in the black community such as hoodrats. it makes little to know sense UNLESS you're talking about how people misapply black feminism, which they're not feminists anyways so to talk about how things have been misapplied isn't a fault of the concept as much as it's the fault of those applying it...

Because we're talking about women who trash black men in the media and essentially use the same talking points as white nationalists to negatively berrate black males. These are the types of women who do not speak out against black women or black people as a whole in voicing solutions to our problems but instead target the black male academically and in the media and trash him.

You can say this isnt a respresentation of true femininsm but these are the women who get the most shine. Do you understand that? These are the women who are used as the voice for black feminism and these are the people tariq was calling out. These women and women who share their views are destructive to the black community. This is why i say women who label themselves black feminists want to be apart of the white power structure and are destructive to the black community.

Ultimately we arent talking about the difference we're talking about who you think Tariq is identifying in his podcast and assist you in understanding who hes talking about.

 

[Drew Wonder]

where is the seperation needed though? black men and women originally are both hated and discriminated on equally by whites so what is the big point in needing a feminist party? men didnt come together and form a maleism? alliance group so why women? black feminists differentiate themselves from regular feminism but it also divides the black community even more so

the ultimate goal is to fight against racism. but as black men, we're just naturally less aware of certain ways in which racist white male ideology has influenced our views on women. black feminists point that out. now whether they're too harsh in how they point it out is up for debate. their are different paths to the same goal and I'd like to think that black people as a whole are diverse and complex enough to have different movements pushing forward differing agendas

 

[Drew Wonder]

I don't see why you are trying. Everybody in this thread can easily google the terms "black feminism" click on the Wikipedia article and read about the history, purpose, figures, etc.

Why are you arguing with people who clearly have never even done this simple thing yet, just take what they hear from a podcast or make up themselves as 100% fact?

Dudes are clearly not that bright if they can't muster up the mental fortitutude to look up a simple definition and see how wrong they are. These people want to believe what they already have imagined and are intent on doing such regardless of the info you or anyone else could place in front of them.

it's a Saturday and I'm bored. though I will say this thread is going a lot better than I thought it would when I hit submit