Black Feminism

[Drew Wonder]

Because we're talking about women who trash black men in the media and essentially use the same talking points as white nationalists to negatively berrate black males. These are the types of women who do not speak out against black women or black people as a whole in voicing solutions to our problems but instead target the black male academically and in the media and trash him.

You can say this isnt a respresentation of true femininsm but these are the women who get the most shine. Do you understand that? These are the women who are used as the voice for black feminism and these are the people tariq was calling out. These women and women who share their views are destructive to the black community. This is why i say women who label themselves black feminists want to be apart of the white power structure and are destructive to the black community.

Ultimately we arent talking about the difference we're talking about who you think Tariq is identifying in his podcast and assist you in understanding who hes talking about.

bruh, I listened to the podcast. he said ALL black feminists and then said they offered NOTHING to the black struggle. maybe in Tariq's head he's differing the real from the fake but that's not the message his listeners are gonna take away. do you realize how dangerous and irresponsible it is for someone of Tariq's stature to make a statement like that, especially when it has no academic basis?

it's akin to a conservative white commentator who's only exposure to the civil rights movement is Al Sharpton saying the civil rights movement does nothing for the black community

 

[Mowgli]

The feminist movement is a movement that had people like Margaret Sanger. How many of these black feminists supported the sterilization of black women, yet these are the same women black women were allying with in the 60s and 70's. What did the feminist movement do for black women in the 60's that wasnt already happening with the black civil rights movement. Once white women got their rights they kicked black women to the curb.

Black feminist as a term makes no sense.

 

[Mowgli]

bruh, I listened to the podcast. he said ALL black feminists and then said they offered NOTHING to the black struggle. maybe in Tariq's head he's differing the real from the fake but that's not the message his listeners are gonna take away. do you realize how dangerous and irresponsible it is for someone of Tariq's stature to make a statement like that, especially when it has no academic basis?

it's akin to a conservative white commentator who's only exposure to the civil rights movement is Al Sharpton saying the civil rights movement does nothing for the black community

But but but bruh, you know what hes saying, so why are you arguing against it. If his listeners are misunderstanding, i dont understand why your're still saying hes confused even though you know what he means.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

it's a Saturday and I'm bored. though I will say this thread is going a lot better than I thought it would when I hit submit

Really? I've never seen a more stubborn thread in SOHH/Coli existence. You're literally sitting here saying 2+2=4 and there are dudes like "2+3=4 too so what's the conspiracy here?!?!?!?!!!!!". You're elaborating on your point well, but it's not hitting.

you right. not arguing with you there. i just commented because i remember i made a post about it a long time ago and it just completely went over people's heads here. no one quoted me, no one said anything about it. i think the only comment i received was one questioning my sexuality because i'd taken a course on black feminism. i consider the question ludicrous though considering my degree is in african-american studies and black feminism is a movement that's part of african-american history. more importantly, it's one that's often overlooked and stereotyped due to misinformation...

That's because dudes are only used to cuttin the shyt on here.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

Because we're talking about women who trash black men in the media and essentially use the same talking points as white nationalists to negatively berrate black males. These are the types of women who do not speak out against black women or black people as a whole in voicing solutions to our problems but instead target the black male academically and in the media and trash him.

You can say this isnt a respresentation of true femininsm but these are the women who get the most shine. Do you understand that? These are the women who are used as the voice for black feminism and these are the people tariq was calling out. These women and women who share their views are destructive to the black community. This is why i say women who label themselves black feminists want to be apart of the white power structure and are destructive to the black community.

Ultimately we arent talking about the difference we're talking about who you think Tariq is identifying in his podcast and assist you in understanding who hes talking about.

your post is still flawed. you're still talking about the people who misrepresent black feminism. that's like talking about rappers who are on tv and how the media portrays them and finds the most negative rappers to glorify/put on display/give attention to and all the while saying "rappers are what's wrong with the black community". rappers aren't what's wrong with the black community just in the same sense that black feminism isn't wrong with the black community. just because the media is putting that shyt out there doesn't mean it is what they say it is. there is nothing inherently wrong with black feminism. your beef is with media and misrepresentation, not with the idea itself. and if you have a problem with the idea, that's another thing all together.

and you've got to recognize that now. you still keep on talking about those who are misrepresentations of the idea and talk about how they're put on display. you think black feminists are responsible for putting these incorrect, black male bashing, women on national television? your explanation doesn't even make sense considering we're in accordance with the fact that these women aren't a good representation of black feminism.

it's a lazy approach to say black feminism is what's wrong with the community and dismissive as well...

 

[Mountain]

like I said, it represents a fight against white male patriarchy. where it differs from the more mainstream civil rights movement is that there's also an emphasis of the sexist aspects of white male patriarchy.

The principles you've mentioned essentially underlie all forms of feminism, not just "black feminism".

it sheds light on how that's affected both black men and women.

The civil rights movement already did that, extremely well might i add. Feminism (regardless of the type) is simply a multi-platform advocation of womens rights. In terms of the civil rights issues of black people as a whole, black feminism did nothing that the civil rights movement wasnt already doing, absolutely nothing.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

you don't feel that sexism is a problem in america?

well as much as it is a problem it will not ever compare to racism the actual main issue and head pin

you do realize there are many sub-groups within the civil rights movement with different views and approaches to black improvement right?

there is also a difference between sub-grouping within the major group and switching groups completely

the ultimate goal is to fight against racism. but as black men, we're just naturally less aware of certain ways in which racist white male ideology has influenced our views on women. black feminists point that out. now whether they're too harsh in how they point it out is up for debate. their are different paths to the same goal and I'd like to think that black people as a whole are diverse and complex enough to have different movements pushing forward differing agendas

you dont think black women become less aware of the real issue we face when they fall victim to white women ideology? literally joining up with the same faces that would have killed them in there sleep if they had the chance

as diverse and complex as we are and can be how has the feminist movement helped black people as of now by making a new path apart from civil rights?

 

[Drew Wonder]

The feminist movement is a movement that had people like Margaret Sanger. How many of these black feminists supported the sterilization of black women, yet these are the same women black women were allying with in the 60s and 70's. What did the feminist movement do for black women in the 60's that wasnt already happening with the black civil rights movement. Once white women got their rights they kicked black women to the curb.

Black feminist as a term makes no sense.

you're absolutely right, the feminist movement really didn't do much for black women. that's why they formed the black feminist movement...

it's similar to the Million Man March. it wasn't anti-black women but there were just certain issues black men needed to confront on their own and understand as a collective, so that they could relay those messages more effectively to black women and uplift the race as a whole. it's the same idea of the black feminist movement. it's unfair to dismiss the idea behind the million man march as sexist based on the sexist ideas of some who associated with it, and its not fair to do the same thing to the black feminist movement

 

[Mowgli]

your post is still flawed. you're still talking about the people who misrepresent black feminism. that's like talking about rappers who are on tv and how the media portrays them and finds the most negative rappers to glorify/put on display/give attention to and all the while saying "rappers are what's wrong with the black community". rappers aren't what's wrong with the black community just in the same sense that black feminism isn't wrong with the black community. just because the media is putting that shyt out there doesn't mean it is what they say it is. there is nothing inherently wrong with black feminism. your beef is with media and misrepresentation, not with the idea itself. and if you have a problem with the idea, that's another thing all together.

and you've got to recognize that now. you still keep on talking about those who are misrepresentations of the idea and talk about how they're put on display. you think black feminists are responsible for putting these incorrect, black male bashing, women on national television? your explanation doesn't even make sense considering we're in accordance with the fact that these women aren't a good representation of black feminism.

it's a lazy approach to say black feminism is what's wrong with the community and dismissive as well...

They arent, WHATS WRONG. They are one element of whats wrong in our community. They're pointless. Defining the term isnt what we're debating here. Its your confusion on what Tariq said. Secondly the women who the media portrays are the voice for this movement. The ones you are talking about who represent the real, are not heard outside of the coffee shop and youtube brotha be honest here.

 

[feelosofer]

your post is still flawed. you're still talking about the people who misrepresent black feminism. that's like talking about rappers who are on tv and how the media portrays them and finds the most negative rappers to glorify/put on display/give attention to and all the while saying "rappers are what's wrong with the black community". rappers aren't what's wrong with the black community just in the same sense that black feminism isn't wrong with the black community. just because the media is putting that shyt out there doesn't mean it is what they say it is. there is nothing inherently wrong with black feminism. your beef is with media and misrepresentation, not with the idea itself. and if you have a problem with the idea, that's another thing all together.

and you've got to recognize that now. you still keep on talking about those who are misrepresentations of the idea and talk about how they're put on display. you think black feminists are responsible for putting these incorrect, black male bashing, women on national television? your explanation doesn't even make sense considering we're in accordance with the fact that these women aren't a good representation of black feminism.

it's a lazy approach to say black feminism is what's wrong with the community and dismissive as well...

The problem is this, and Mowgli makes a good point, ever since the late 70 and early 80's, and then more so now, those who misrepresent what Black Feminism is are those with the loudest voices. These women are writers on well-read blogs, magazines and other popular media. The message has become so distorted that people as a whole who are about their business don't take what these women say seriously.

 

[Mowgli]

you're absolutely right, the feminist movement really didn't do much for black women. that's why they formed the black feminist movement...

it's similar to the Million Man March. it wasn't anti-black women but there were just certain issues black men needed to confront on their own and understand as a collective, so that they could relay those messages more effectively to black women and uplift the race as a whole. it's the same idea of the black feminist movement. it's unfair to dismiss the idea behind the million man march as sexist based on the sexist ideas of some who associated with it, and its not fair to do the same thing to the black feminist movement

Every organization that seeks to uplift women isnt feminist. Feminism isnt a blanket term for any organization that seeks to uplift black women. Black Feminism is its own thing and is comprised of the ideologies of white women who wanted nothing to do with them.

 

[Drew Wonder]

But but but bruh, you know what hes saying, so why are you arguing against it. If his listeners are misunderstanding, i dont understand why your're still saying hes confused even though you know what he means.

Actually I don't know what he's saying. I based that statement off the assumption that he really understands black feminism and is just pointing out a certain kind. but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...

 

[Drew Wonder]

The principles you've mentioned essentially underlie all forms of feminism, not just "black feminism".



The civil rights movement already did that, extremely well might i add. Feminism (regardless of the type) is simply a multi-platform advocation of womens rights. In terms of the civil rights issues of black people as a whole, black feminism did nothing that the civil rights movement wasnt already doing, absolutely nothing.

mainstream feminism may acknowledge and highlight racism, but that's not it's main emphasis. the main emphasis of black feminism is racism, that's where it differs

in no way am I taking away from the civil rights movement and their impact. but there WAS sexism within it and there wasn't much of an emphasis on how that sexism was the direct result of elements created by the white male power structure. that's why the black feminist movement was necessary

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

so, all i'm hearing is that sexism isn't a problem and to tackle that is pointless. i think that pretty much sums up the general opinion (in this thread) about black feminism. the next question is why don't people feel that's a problem? is it because they benefit the most from that structure (which is what i think the issue is)?

it's like how whites will say racism doesn't exist anymore because of things like the civil rights movement...

 

[Drew Wonder]

Every organization that seeks to uplift women isnt feminist. Feminism isnt a blanket term for any organization that seeks to uplift black women. Black Feminism is its own thing and is comprised of the ideologies of white women who wanted nothing to do with them.

we have two completely different definitions of black feminism so we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one