Black music sucks right now brehs

[SunZoo]

I'm an old head so nobody cares what I think about this. Will say that I really try, and I think there is some good black music out there. But even with that, there is a dearth of it. Black music used to be deep.

I think we're seeing the results of a few things. Its hard to blame labels because that's what they've always done. Read anything on older artists during their day and labels have always been manipulative and greedy. I think the depth problem has come from other things.

Culturally, I think black music is simply where black people are. That can't be overlooked. Black music until the last few years was truly rebellious. Not in the content per say. But rather in that it was an off-limits thing to the non-black world. It didn't get mainstream airplay at the same levels. The few Black stations, few shows, few labels were catering to black people, about black life and there was a solidarity. I remember back in the 80s, radio was pretty much totally segregated outside of say Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder or Michael Jackson. TV was even more dramatic outside of award shows. It was even more segregated with hip-hop. I think this resulted in music that was made in the tradition of a soulful sound. You were making music for black people. Messages could be more rebellious because it was being made for black people. Even dance music retained the sound, even when the sound was new. We see now, that even white people loved this music even if they didn't seem to at the time. The world loved this music. This reflected the culture, which was still more segregated. I think black people weren't living for a mainstream image in life at all the way we have to now.

That move to the cultural mainstream overall(American blacks moving into the middle class rapidly) has also resulted in more religious experimentation, less religious participation overall and like the rest of America, a polarization of career choices. From the religious angle, popular black music and so-call gospel music have kept the same roots and have often crossed paths throughout black American history. You're simply losing that sound tradition for better or worse(not making a judgement). You're not only losing the home grown singer that grew up singing in church, but also the musicians who often were able to practice their craft and sound in church. The mega-church model of today is also contributing to this loss. The career polarization is happening in a huge way in the black community and the rest of America as well. Colleges are specializing more and there is a stigma to anything outside of more vocational fields. You're losing some would be artists. The result of this at earlier ages are less kids picking up music outside of school programs. Its interesting. I look at my peers and even relatives around my age. A few of us played in the band back in school. Otherwise, we have a few wannabe rappers and a couple of professional DJs. Looking back at my parents generation and older, there were several church organists, saxophone and trumpet players and some nice singers. Some even had small professional music careers. They learned in church or from people just teaching them. They were usually discovered or tried to get into local clubs to play. People wanted to be stars but they were really into what they were doing in a different way than now. Fame was more important than money I guess. Running with the big dogs at the craft was most important. Listen to older interviews of people wanting to be as good as their contemporaries. Just a different culture now. Getting into music is just not that organic anymore.

So if you don't want to read all that, basically black America is moving away from the things that made our music great and deep. The organic process is just over and black people are moving rapidly towards the center. The fashions of America are blending. The goals of Americans are blending. The lives of Americans are blending. Its no wonder that black music would be a victim of that. I make no judgement about that. I miss the depth of artists out there, but I make no judgements, just observations. The mechanisms that made the greatness of the past isn't there anymore.

muthafukkas want the music of the 60's and 70's back, but they don't want the social climate...look at what these people were living through, look at america as a whole. it's impossible to recreate that from where we are at right now.

 

[Dark Knyght]

Everybody who says music nowadays sucks, its pretty much shows that ya'll gettin . Same shyt your parents used to say about the shyt ya'll listened to in the 80's and 90's. Same shyt your grandparents used to say about the shyt ya'll parents listened to in 70's. The cycle continues.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I still think that there is a lot of good music out there. You just have to know where to find it. I don't listen to the radio other than dj mixes. So for all the commercial hip hop that is out there, there are tons of dope albums and mixtapes that are floatin around.

The problem is that some people are too lazy to find it. Some people only eat off the machines that flood airwaves a la 106 & park, mtv jams and radio. I'm a bonafied hip hop head. I'm always looking for dope music. I don't care where the artist is from. As long as its dope. I at least give every artist I come across a fair and honest and objective listen.


I go on worldstar sometimes and I'll just click on all those random worldstar rappers videos, just to see if its good. I hit all the mixtape sights and browse artists music on there. I fucc with local/underground artists too.

 

[tremonthustler1]

what I'm saying is what's more important, money or making music you wanna make? nowadays it's pretty hard to do both. one has to choose between being mainstream or making music they really enjoy doing. there's no grey area.

If everybody rejected the major labels and started their own, there would be no problem, but everybody wants big $$$, everybody wants attention, nobody wants to pull resources together, and nobody wants to hustle for extra income.

In other words, these artists are basically forcing themselves to dumb down their own music in order to put their music out. the white people in power only have it because we give it to them.

No shyt. That's the point of having a music CAREER.

 

[Harry B]

Hiphop is nice, RnB is nice problem is that black people don't support good music.
We're basically like the country people only supporting BS, still discriminating against people for their sexual believes, and the list goes on the modern brothers and cacs.

 

[shazam]

Hiphop is nice, RnB is nice problem is that black people don't support good music.
We're basically like the country people only supporting BS, still discriminating against people for their sexual believes, and the list goes on the modern brothers and cacs.

 

[Malta]

I've expanded my borders to black artists around the world now

 

[Street Knowledge]

I'll say this if Black music sucks it's our fault. We try to bring down anyone different and 15 years of doing that has bit us in the ass. Good Black music is there, we aren't interested.

This

 

[Jone2three45]

I'm an old head so nobody cares what I think about this. Will say that I really try, and I think there is some good black music out there. But even with that, there is a dearth of it. Black music used to be deep.

I think we're seeing the results of a few things. Its hard to blame labels because that's what they've always done. Read anything on older artists during their day and labels have always been manipulative and greedy. I think the depth problem has come from other things.

Culturally, I think black music is simply where black people are. That can't be overlooked. Black music until the last few years was truly rebellious. Not in the content per say. But rather in that it was an off-limits thing to the non-black world. It didn't get mainstream airplay at the same levels. The few Black stations, few shows, few labels were catering to black people, about black life and there was a solidarity. I remember back in the 80s, radio was pretty much totally segregated outside of say Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder or Michael Jackson. TV was even more dramatic outside of award shows. It was even more segregated with hip-hop. I think this resulted in music that was made in the tradition of a soulful sound. You were making music for black people. Messages could be more rebellious because it was being made for black people. Even dance music retained the sound, even when the sound was new. We see now, that even white people loved this music even if they didn't seem to at the time. The world loved this music. This reflected the culture, which was still more segregated. I think black people weren't living for a mainstream image in life at all the way we have to now.

That move to the cultural mainstream overall(American blacks moving into the middle class rapidly) has also resulted in more religious experimentation, less religious participation overall and like the rest of America, a polarization of career choices. From the religious angle, popular black music and so-call gospel music have kept the same roots and have often crossed paths throughout black American history. You're simply losing that sound tradition for better or worse(not making a judgement). You're not only losing the home grown singer that grew up singing in church, but also the musicians who often were able to practice their craft and sound in church. The mega-church model of today is also contributing to this loss. The career polarization is happening in a huge way in the black community and the rest of America as well. Colleges are specializing more and there is a stigma to anything outside of more vocational fields. You're losing some would be artists. The result of this at earlier ages are less kids picking up music outside of school programs. Its interesting. I look at my peers and even relatives around my age. A few of us played in the band back in school. Otherwise, we have a few wannabe rappers and a couple of professional DJs. Looking back at my parents generation and older, there were several church organists, saxophone and trumpet players and some nice singers. Some even had small professional music careers. They learned in church or from people just teaching them. They were usually discovered or tried to get into local clubs to play. People wanted to be stars but they were really into what they were doing in a different way than now. Fame was more important than money I guess. Running with the big dogs at the craft was most important. Listen to older interviews of people wanting to be as good as their contemporaries. Just a different culture now. Getting into music is just not that organic anymore.

So if you don't want to read all that, basically black America is moving away from the things that made our music great and deep. The organic process is just over and black people are moving rapidly towards the center. The fashions of America are blending. The goals of Americans are blending. The lives of Americans are blending. Its no wonder that black music would be a victim of that. I make no judgement about that. I miss the depth of artists out there, but I make no judgements, just observations. The mechanisms that made the greatness of the past isn't there anymore.

Top 10 post of 2013.

 

[concise]

"This ain't a hit"

:wtfdraper: You know how many Miles Davis classics weren't "a hit"

If your measure on the state of Black Music is how often white radio stations play their music and make them a "hit" then I guess I'm gonna bow out of this convo

The album won a Grammy so dude is doing something right..


GLasper will be around in 30 years still creating great pieces.. We'll see if Miguel is around in 3...

EDIT: What is great about that Lalah singing on that track I posted is that was one take... It was a practice run and improvised and Glasper just put it on his album... fukking art right there...

at this isn't a hit

It's never really about the actual music.

 

[Klos2God]

Been saying it for a long time.. Got white folk on stage singing and performing like we use too and we look like a bunch of talent-less idiots out there... SMH... Just listening to the difference in lyrical content in the songs is disheartening...

 

[Tommy Knocks]

no. we just give it away to mainstream, like rock, blues, soul, house, techno and now hiphop and dubstep (started off as UK urban music).

with the age of information they be stealing the shyt before it even becomes popular on the streets, just look at trap and juke. :uhhuh: we can't make a new genre without it being b*stardized in record time. smh. now with everyone having a computer and being capable of making music via cracked software, music isn't as treasured as it used to be. its become fast food.

cacs still can't grasp bounce tho. that'll forever be underground.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I've expanded my borders to black artists around the world now

So you're listening to more Drake?

 

[Malta]

So you're listening to more Drake?

Maybe if my girl breaks up with me. :ughh:

 

[The Piff Gawd]

no matter where you go theres always some corny faggit talkin bout how music sucks today

all this means is that you a lame and your taste is irrelevant