King Kreole
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...that incarceration is an issue that disproportionately effects black men? Is that a claim you would like to dispute? Keep in mind, disproportionate is a key word. It means "not proportionate".
Black People need to dead this "P.O.C./Intersectionality" bullsh1t.
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Rarebird77
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Oh I read it and just don't agree with you.
You said mass incarceration was a male issue. You might have posted a stat about black women and prison but you said mass incarceration was a male issue. That would mean to me you think mass incarceration is a male issue not one that has a huge effect and is a major issue for women, specifically black women.
You think sex abuse is our main issue. For some reason, not a male issue though. . makes no damn sense.
Feminist have said that sex harassment, sex assault, etc, are the main issues facing women and black women, as you have stated are facing this issue worse than anyone.
I"m a woman, a black woman. I know my issues better than you so I beg to differ.
You can dismiss my voice you like but that would say alot for your belief in Intersectionality and feminism. You know a man silencing a woman and all. .. .
Its not a male issue in the Black community because it disproportionately effects black women, too.
Actually black people have CONTINUOUSLY went out of their way to help and try to team up with non blacks for various INTERSECTIONAL issues. But nobody is coming to our aid for the issue of black injustice. That's why it's a joke when people tell black folks they need to be more inclusive. We're the most inclusive group hands down.
We support everybody, buy from everybody, and we let everybody take part in whatever we do. Our fights for civil rights is directly helping non blacks but none of them are reaching back to help us. So when i say fukk em i mean fukk EM
U CAN SAY THAT BOUT ANY1 BRUH
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King Kreole
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Yes.
No.
Ancient Egyptian society was not patriarchial, women were generally regarded as an equal class to men. Dr. Ifi Amadiume has done award winning ethnographic monographs on ancient Igbo society that shows a lack of patriarchy. The Kush Kingdom had a famous line of female rulers; Kandakes. Many Native American societies had egalitarian or even matrilinieal gender structures:
Gender roles among the indigenous peoples of North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here are a list of societies where women were deemed the dominant gender for property inheritance and residence:
List of matrilineal or matrilocal societies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to "The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Hunters and Gatherers", nearly all African hunter-gatherers are egalitarian, with women roughly as influential and powerful as men.
It seems as though your conception of history starts with the Industrial Revolution. Historically, men and women didn't beg to change much. They've accepted the roles delineated for them by the broader social construct. Inflection points of expansive social change were far and few between. Were most men aristocrats? Of course not. But neither were most women. Poor men interacted with poor women. These subhuman conditions were borne by both genders. They have been doing their own labour, equally important. I'm not sure where you're getting this reading of history from, but it's very...unorthodox. You seem to think historically women have been sitting at home watching TV. From ancient times till the Industrial Revolution, they've traditionally been doing domestic and agricultural work. You know, the gatherer part of hunter-gatherer. Even during the beginning of the Industrial Revolution they were doing the hard labour that men did, working in mines, factories and mills. So that toiling, learning, inventing, maiming, etc was also done by women. It was only a short period of about a hundred or so years that women were primarily found sitting at home, and again, it was a select class of women. This idea of men going out and doing all the hunting/working while women just sit around at home and play with the baby is historically inaccurate.
godkiller
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Absolute nonsense. Half of all black women do not experience sexual assault. Get your retarded ass out of here with these unreliable sources. Bring actual studies.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Again, you're thinking of this the wrong way. You want me to say "Economic issues and criminal justice issues!" to which you would say "Those are both issues that affect black women and the black community as a whole
". So let me put it this way. Of course economic, criminal, social and most other kinds of racial justice all effect both black men and black women. But saying none of them are black male centric would obviously be ridiculous given the ideological foundation we're coming from. It's a disavowal of what is essentially a consensus belief in the field of Western cultural anthropology; that in gender relations, men have typically been the ones to wield prominence. For example, what is the bigger issue on the forefront of mainstream black progress right now: sexual violence or the criminal justice system? The latter. Why is that? 30% of black men have been arrested before the age of 18, yet 60% of black women have been sexually abused before they reach the age of 18. Black women make up over 50% of the black population, and they're being sexually assaulted at double the rate of black men being arrested, but we hear nary a peep about this. Why? Could it be because the call is coming from inside the house! The face of criminal justice reform is the black man, it would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. Incarceration is an issue that disproportionately effects black men, but it's not seen as a men's issue like sexual violence is seen as a women's issue. Why? Because men have a privilege of assumed centrality, and yes, that is in effect within the black community as well.
The claims of intersectionality being problematic are a conservative reaction to a new era in which women's voices, opinions and perspectives are being brought to the fore. People (men, mostly) are upset that feminism is being integrated in this new wave of pro-black ideology, because it forces us to confront problems we are complicit in. It's not just the white man that's causing problems within the black community, and acknowledging this isn't a distraction from black self-actualization, it's a necessary step. It's 2016, women are no longer content with being relegated to bystander status or being written out. They comprise over 50% of the black community. It's unacceptable to ask them to forego their valid gender concerns so that we don't have to confront our shytty behaviour. Which is what saying "fukk intersectionality, we're all black!" is doing. Because just like it would be ignorant to reduce humanity to one big race, despite what certain whites would have you believe, it would be ignorant to reduce black people to one big group. There are lines within the black community; gender being the most essential. Black men and black women have lots of commonalities, but there are also unique issues pertaining to each group. So now that women have an opportunity to affect change in a way previously withheld, why would they willingly ignore issues uniquely affecting them? Why would they turn around and shun a feminism that fought for them to even be able to be in the position to speak and make an impact? It would, in fact, be irresponsible. It's akin to asking the few black people who've broken through a racial barrier to not turn around and give voice to the others who haven't. To just tow the party line.
So i'll say it again. There can be no black self-actualization without gender equality. That's what feminist ideology is about. It's not incompatible with black progression, it's imperative. That's what intersectionality is about. Making sure we don't gloss over a marginalized in-group. Everyone lambasts white feminists for being racist and not promoting a race-equal vision of women's rights, but as soon as the scope is turned on us it's "fukk intersectionality." Laughable.
The above gender division are not real issues as several female posters have already implied. They have said they support pro-blackness over gender division. Like I told you previously, only the obscene lies and focus make these issues important.
And because we're Jews in your analogy, we are obligated to look after our own and damn the Germans. Blacks do pretty of things about oppression by the way. That's how we got to this point.
King Kreole
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I, in fact, did not. Disproportionate =/= solely. Men are victims of sex abuse as well, just not nearly at the same rate.
Again, disproportionate means more or less than equal. So trusting @Poitier stats are correct, black women are 30% of all incarcerated women, and 13% of the female population. Black men are about 37% of incarcerated men, yet 12% of the population. Ergo, disproportion. Not once did I say black women don't have an incarceration problem. In fact, I explicitly said that it's one of the issues that both genders share. My point is that the issues that disproportionately affect females don't get as much airtime as those disproportionately affecting males.
Again, no. I said that sex abuse is an issue that is disproportionately affecting women, and since women are a majority of the black population, I found it odd that it's nowhere near as big an issue as criminal justice reform, which has a distinctly black male face EVEN THOUGH IT AFFECTS WOMEN TOO! In fact, your insistence on incarceration being a big problem for black women as well strengthens my point. How come women are not considered to be on the forefront of this issue as much. We all hear about 1 in 3 black men, but we never hear about 1 in 4 black women.
I don't know any feminist saying that sex harassment is the main issue facing women and black women. Most feminists efforts I know of are aimed at reproductive rights or economic equality.
I'm not dismissing your voice, I welcome your perspective.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
The fact @Rarebird77 , a woman, doesn't think your gender nonsense is important, significant or even existent relative to pro-blackness is proof of how false and contrived your position is. Look at something hard enough, write enough flowery conjecture and anything is an issue. Your false feminist pablum is only a barrier to those women and men who make it one.
King Kreole
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ok let's try this.
Assuming all other things equal, if I have 10 dollars stolen from me, and you have 100 dollars stolen from you, who is affected more by the theft? It wouldn't be wrong to say that you have been disproportionately affected. In fact, it would be right! So if the police spend the majority of their efforts trying to rectify my theft, and my face is getting more airtime as the aggrieved party, then you would have grounds for complaint, yes? I couldn't just say "well, we've both had money stolen from us, so whatever". Even though I too have had money stolen from me, you are the party who has been more injured, and have the right to expect at least equal consideration.
seems non-gendered to me.
30 per of 13 and 37 per of 12 is not analogous to this dumb shyt.