It's amazing how you make literally every thread about immigration even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Black people...search your feelings. Do we think reparations can be effectively fought for in 2020?
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It's amazing how you make literally every thread about immigration even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Tommy Knocks
retired
So how much money you looking for?
KittenPower
Rookie
Yes, it is completely feasible.
1. Cost: Trump estimated that illegal immigration costs 200 billion per year. If reparations cost 1 trillion, that's 5 years worth of what we are paying for illegal immigrants. But yet you have Democrats wanting to do and pay everything for illegal immigrants, but saying reparations are not feasible.
2. If black people would band together behind this issue and vote for the party that promises to do this, and not vote for any party that doesn't, it would absolutely get done. Democrats have no hope of winning without the black vote. Republicans could shore up their support and easily win majorities if they even got 25%+ of the black vote. Democrats pander to lgbt, illegal immigrants, Muslims, etc and promise them tangibles, while offering nothing to black voters, because black people keep voting Dem no matter what.
3. If a Republican candidate called the Democrats out on their pro illegal immigration/anti reparations stance, and promised reparations, I think a lot would vote for them. Black people are one of the most conservative groups in the country. Highest & against illegal immigration, most against the lgbt agenda, highest % in the military. If the Republican party would drop the racism and do some real talk on reparations, I think a lot of black people would vote for them. Especially if they kept their foot on the neck of an Democrat voting against the wall/against deportation etc while not supporting reparations.
I've been watching Professor Black Truth on Youtube, and a lot of his points make a lot of sense. If black people started voting black interests, a lot would start getting done.
1. Cost: Trump estimated that illegal immigration costs 200 billion per year. If reparations cost 1 trillion, that's 5 years worth of what we are paying for illegal immigrants. But yet you have Democrats wanting to do and pay everything for illegal immigrants, but saying reparations are not feasible.
2. If black people would band together behind this issue and vote for the party that promises to do this, and not vote for any party that doesn't, it would absolutely get done. Democrats have no hope of winning without the black vote. Republicans could shore up their support and easily win majorities if they even got 25%+ of the black vote. Democrats pander to lgbt, illegal immigrants, Muslims, etc and promise them tangibles, while offering nothing to black voters, because black people keep voting Dem no matter what.
3. If a Republican candidate called the Democrats out on their pro illegal immigration/anti reparations stance, and promised reparations, I think a lot would vote for them. Black people are one of the most conservative groups in the country. Highest & against illegal immigration, most against the lgbt agenda, highest % in the military. If the Republican party would drop the racism and do some real talk on reparations, I think a lot of black people would vote for them. Especially if they kept their foot on the neck of an Democrat voting against the wall/against deportation etc while not supporting reparations.
I've been watching Professor Black Truth on Youtube, and a lot of his points make a lot of sense. If black people started voting black interests, a lot would start getting done.
This would just cause the Democrats to never get elected, ever.
This would just cause Republicans to never get elected, ever.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
The cognitive dissonance is hilarious.
Sohh.... you are fully aware of the anxiety in white society against reparations so instead you will promote a platform giving citizenship to illegal immigrants and making the us bilingual.......yeah.......that makes total sense
Sohh.... you are fully aware of the anxiety in white society against reparations so instead you will promote a platform giving citizenship to illegal immigrants and making the us bilingual.......yeah.......that makes total sense
KittenPower
Rookie
Democrats are unlikely to do this, as black people are already voting for them by 90%+. Their problem is black turnout, though. That said, if they can get elected while caping for illegal immigration, Muslims, and lgbt, which are all smaller voting blocks than black people, they can advocate for reparations.
I could absolutely see Republicans doing this. The extreme racists aren't likely to vote democrat, so they would be neutralized. There would be a silent understanding among Republican voters that this is a relatively low cost way to buy the black vote for the next several decades, thus insuring their policies can stay in tact. Republicans have been very worried that demographic shifts will make them irrelevant. If they can get black voters on their side, or at the least break up the black vote so it's not all Democrat, they can counter this.
If Democrats offered reparations to black folks, they're not going to get elected regardless because white voters would turn on them. So telling black people to not vote doesn't do anything but help the GOP. If you're fine with Republicans running things permanently then that's your prerogative
, but that would be the result. I'm all for making demands to the Dems but it needs to be something they can do and still get elected. And I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way Republicans or their voters would ever even think about doing that.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Act like the southern strategy never happened over smaller stakes brehs
KittenPower
Rookie
If Democrats offered reparations to black folks, they're not going to get elected regardless because white voters would turn on them. So telling black people to not vote doesn't do anything but help the GOP. If you're fine with Republicans running things permanently then that's your prerogative
And I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way Republicans or their voters would ever even think about doing that.
Why would pro illegal immigration, pro lgbt, and pro Muslim be politically feasible, but pro black is not?
As far as Republicans- eh, I think you'd be surprised. George W. Bush had a welcoming message to Hispanics, and their voters were fine with it. The "this is maga country" shouting racists like the ones who "attacked" Jussie Smolette are much rarer than you'd think. Reparations are quite simply owed, and it's possible to make a calm, rational case for it. Whatever side does this and has their propaganda machines convincing their voting base of it and has black people voting for them as a result will support it. Whatever side doesn't do it will have a problem with it.
And to both of you- why should black people have loyalty to any political party? Black people should be loyal to black interests. Vote for whoever will best meet those interests. As long as black people will always vote Democrat no matter what, nothing will change. And I'm not advocating voting Republican unless they are offering something.
There's a difference between rhetoric (ie. saying Muslims shouldn't be demonized) and actually advocating financial reparations towards a particular groups.
It's absolutely owed. But you just can't win an election with an idea that only 13% of the population supports.
As far as Republicans, as much as they rage about affirmative action and welfare and "handouts" you really think they'd be okay with reparations? C'mon now.
I'm not advocating loyalty to a particular party, I'm just against telling black people to stay home and not vote at all unless the perfect candidate runs. That's not in our best interest. Sometimes you need to vote just to keep the worse person out, whether that's a Democrat or Republican.
@ This whole thread...
Fighting for it now, makes it possible 2024 or 2028... the fight for M4A has taken the same approach.
Ya'll nikkas understand the push and commitment necessary for the socialist/progressive agenda, but when it comes to the black agenda its, "lets get real"
Disgusting.With Warren/Harris on board with the idea of it, it seems Bernie bros have no choice but to burn the idea down to justify supporting their progressive white supremacist.
Imagine being black and willing to fight the uphill battle for socialized healthcare, but not black redress for years of state sanctioned violence and oppression... 
Then imagine trying to talk other blacks out of fighting for it...
Then imagine trying to talk other blacks out of fighting for it...
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
It's amazing how you make literally every thread about immigration even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
how is it separate, the same anxiety that you guys are saying make reparations impossible is what makes giving illegal immigrants citizenship hard to swallow
the fact that you think immigration is separate from reparations is where your cognitive dissonance comes in
i think whats funny is how any discussion of reparations becomes a discussion of medicare for all...including illegal immigrants
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
If Democrats offered reparations to black folks, they're not going to get elected regardless because white voters would turn on them. So telling black people to not vote doesn't do anything but help the GOP. If you're fine with Republicans running things permanently then that's your prerogative
And I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way Republicans or their voters would ever even think about doing that.
neither Republicans democrats are going to give reparations anytime soon but whats likely to happen is that republicans will start throwing bones at black people, and the democrats will start offering more bones in response
the more neutral black people become the more power we get, because the black vote can decide who becomes president or not