Black people...search your feelings. Do we think reparations can be effectively fought for in 2020?

[dora_da_destroyer]

Why would pro illegal immigration, pro lgbt, and pro Muslim be politically feasible, but pro black is not?

As far as Republicans- eh, I think you'd be surprised. George W. Bush had a welcoming message to Hispanics, and their voters were fine with it. The "this is maga country" shouting racists like the ones who "attacked" Jussie Smolette are much rarer than you'd think. Reparations are quite simply owed, and it's possible to make a calm, rational case for it. Whatever side does this and has their propaganda machines convincing their voting base of it and has black people voting for them as a result will support it. Whatever side doesn't do it will have a problem with it.



And to both of you- why should black people have loyalty to any political party? Black people should be loyal to black interests. Vote for whoever will best meet those interests. As long as black people will always vote Democrat no matter what, nothing will change. And I'm not advocating voting Republican unless they are offering something.

I 100% believe black people should vote as individuals, I think it's dangerous the blind loyalty we have to Dems. But the entire scenario you presented is flawed, Repubs give us reparations for our vote, they'll lose a big segment of voters the same way Dems did during the years they were passing civil rights laws. They (repubs) wouldn't gain anything from it, so why even do it? It's a scenario that doesn't make sense

 

[KittenPower]

There's a difference between rhetoric (ie. saying Muslims shouldn't be demonized) and actually advocating financial reparations towards a particular groups.

It's absolutely owed. But you just can't win an election with an idea that only 13% of the population supports.

As far as Republicans, as much as they rage about affirmative action and welfare and "handouts" you really think they'd be okay with reparations? C'mon now.

I'm not advocating loyalty to a particular party, I'm just against telling black people to stay home and not vote at all unless the perfect candidate runs. That's not in our best interest. Sometimes you need to vote just to keep the worse person out, whether that's a Democrat or Republican.

First, black people are 13% of the population, but vote in higher numbers than Hispanics or Asians. Secondly, both parties have roughly 50% of the population. A large shift in black voters can swing elections one way or the other. There is no other voting block that has as much potential to swing heavily as black voters, given that 90% of black voters vote Democrat, while a lot of black voters disagree with Democrats on a number of issues.

Republicans have no problem with welfare and "handouts" to their own voters. They have no problem with corporate welfare, and no problem with government programs that benefit the white people who vote for them. Exhibit A, trying to prop up the doomed coal industry. If black people were voting for them, they'd be fine with it.

I'm not saying black people should stay home. Quite the opposite- black people should vote en masse to prove the power of the black vote.

 

[theworldismine13]

First, black people are 13% of the population, but vote in higher numbers than Hispanics or Asians. Secondly, both parties have roughly 50% of the population. A large shift in black voters can swing elections one way or the other. There is no other voting block that has as much potential to swing heavily as black voters, given that 90% of black voters vote Democrat, while a lot of black voters disagree with Democrats on a number of issues.

Republicans have no problem with welfare and "handouts" to their own voters. They have no problem with corporate welfare, and no problem with government programs that benefit the white people who vote for them. Exhibit A, trying to prop up the doomed coal industry. If black people were voting for them, they'd be fine with it.

I'm not saying black people should stay home. Quite the opposite- black people should vote en masse to prove the power of the black vote.

bolded is incorrect, a smal shift, like 10 percent shift in the black vote would flip national and state elections.

if for example 80 percent, as opposed to 90 percent, of black people vote democrat, the republican would win, gauranteed

 

[KittenPower]

I 100% believe black people should vote as individuals, I think it's dangerous the blind loyalty we have to Dems. But the entire scenario you presented is flawed, Repubs give us reparations for our vote, they'll lose a big segment of voters the same way Dems did during the years they were passing civil rights laws. They (repubs) wouldn't gain anything from it, so why even do it? It's a scenario that doesn't make sense

Those voters they would lose would not go vote Democrat though. They would go to a racist 3rd party that can't win a national election, or they would stay home. The next election cycle, when reparations are no longer an issue because it's already been passed, those voters may come back, but black people are still voting Republican.

I think a lot of Republican voters, even if they don't agree with reparations, would see it as a mercenary move to make sure their other interests get passed. By allying with black people, conservative views on things such as lgbt specifically t agenda, gun rights, illegal immigration, abortion (black people are the most religious group in the country), etc can now have the upper hand.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Those voters they would lose would not go vote Democrat though. They would go to a racist 3rd party that can't win a national election, or they would stay home. The next election cycle, when reparations are no longer an issue because it's already been passed, those voters may come back, but black people are still voting Republican.

I think a lot of Republican voters, even if they don't agree with reparations, would see it as a mercenary move to make sure their other interests get passed. By allying with black people, conservative views on things such as lgbt specifically t agenda, gun rights, illegal immigration, abortion (black people are the most religious group in the country), etc can now have the upper hand.

they wouldn't, with black votes gone and Dems on a "rising tide" for everyone platform, all they'd have to do in tone back the illegal immigrant talk and those white folks would go back...

even in a best case scenario, neither party has the upper hand...repubs have no reason to do this. dems have every reason to do it and even they won't

 

[ezrathegreat]

No one gives a fukk about all that bullshyt nikka, people just want what's owed to them. I #ADOS gang for making reparations a global topic. Hopefully this will lead to reparations for all people of African descent worldwide.

 

[deeznutz93]

Apples and Oranges. Immigration reform doesn't directly transfer one penny.

Reparations, if done right, will cost trillion plus. White people would rather burn this place down than give that or any kind of money to ONLY black people.

But, i'll let ya'll cook.

Then let America burn . If ADOS can't get reparations. I hope America fails and crashes miserably.

 

[KittenPower]

they wouldn't, with black votes gone and Dems on a "rising tide" for everyone platform, all they'd have to do in tone back the illegal immigrant talk and those white folks would go back...

even in a best case scenario, neither party has the upper hand...repubs have no reason to do this. dems have every reason to do it and even they won't

It's interesting that you assume everyone will do what is in their own interests...except black people.

Parties will do what is in their interest. Other groups will do what in their interest. Why not black people?

There are a lot of reasons other than illegal immigration white voters are not voting democrat. Pushing of the lgbt agenda, gun control, laws allowing 3rd term abortion, increasing limiting of free speech by the left, and more.

It is in Republicans' interest to court black voters. Many black voters are already aligned with 90% of their policies. And they are facing a demographic decline in white people, so they need other groups. If paying reparations will help them get those votes, they will do it. Not because they care, but because it is in their interest. Everyone is working for their own interest, and black people should too.

 

[88m3]

It's interesting that you assume everyone will do what is in their own interests...except black people.

Parties will do what is in their interest. Other groups will do what in their interest. Why not black people?

There are a lot of reasons other than illegal immigration white voters are not voting democrat. Pushing of the lgbt agenda, gun control, laws allowing 3rd term abortion, increasing limiting of free speech by the left, and more.

It is in Republicans' interest to court black voters. Many black voters are already aligned with 90% of their policies. And they are facing a demographic decline in white people, so they need other groups. If paying reparations will help them get those votes, they will do it. Not because they care, but because it is in their interest. Everyone is working for their own interest, and black people should too.

meanwhile in the real world

Election Fraud in North Carolina: GOP operatives stole ballots from old black folks and much more

Georgia election fight shows that black voter suppression, a southern tradition, still flourishes

America’s Relentless Suppression of Black Voters

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

It's interesting that you assume everyone will do what is in their own interests...except black people.

Parties will do what is in their interest. Other groups will do what in their interest. Why not black people?

There are a lot of reasons other than illegal immigration white voters are not voting democrat. Pushing of the lgbt agenda, gun control, laws allowing 3rd term abortion, increasing limiting of free speech by the left, and more.

It is in Republicans' interest to court black voters. Many black voters are already aligned with 90% of their policies. And they are facing a demographic decline in white people, so they need other groups. If paying reparations will help them get those votes, they will do it. Not because they care, but because it is in their interest. Everyone is working for their own interest, and black people should too.

i'm not going in circles with you...my second reply to you was that blacks need to vote more as individuals, where the hell are you getting that i'm saying we shouldn't vote in our own interests?

lastly, it's not in the repubs best interest to court us, they have plenty of disgruntled whites they can continue to siphon from dems like they did in 2016.

but please keep believing they'll abandon the course they've been following since the 60's to do an about face to attract the black vote, especially with something as radical as reparations.

 

[storyteller]

My honest take is that it's probably not winning policy yet, but the discussion starting now could turn it more and more viable in future elections. But, maybe that changes if Harris and Warren's support polls strongly. We've seen progressive ideas get poo poo'ed until they're explained to people and then they get widespread support (70% marginal tax rate is the obvious most recent case). But again, even if that isn't the way it goes, the conversation starting and being taken seriously now will help the idea grow in support for future elections...

Warren, Harris back reparations for black Americans affected by slavery

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Black people are one of the most conservative groups in the country. Highest & against illegal immigration, most against the lgbt agenda, highest % in the military.

Each of these stats is false.


Come out the woodwork with your 2014 account to post false statistics, brehs.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

meanwhile in the real world

Election Fraud in North Carolina: GOP operatives stole ballots from old black folks and much more

Georgia election fight shows that black voter suppression, a southern tradition, still flourishes

America’s Relentless Suppression of Black Voters

i swear people live in militant twitter/youtube and think their smart dumb ideas reflect reality

 

[KittenPower]

meanwhile in the real world

Election Fraud in North Carolina: GOP operatives stole ballots from old black folks and much more

Georgia election fight shows that black voter suppression, a southern tradition, still flourishes

America’s Relentless Suppression of Black Voters

They're suppressing black voters because black people don't vote for them. Obviously, they'd stop if black people were voting for them. And then we'd see Democrats suppressing the black vote.

As I keep saying, this is not about voting for a party because they are nice and want to be friends. Everybody else is out for their own interests, and black people should be too.

 

[Nobu]

It doesn't matter how feasible it is, there is literally no other option but to demand reparations. Blacks are on the death march to absolute poverty under the status quo. Under Democrats and Republicans alike, black wealth is approaching 0 and the racial wealth gap is growing.

I repeat, there is no data that shows a correlation between black people voting and the wealth gap closing in a meaningful way. Blind voting without reparations won't do shyt, we have decades of data showing trickle down doesn't work. We have the data showing Democrats haven't done meaningfully better than Republicans at closing the wealth gap.

If you continue to blindly vote without demands for redress, at best you get nothing. Politicians aren't going to give you reparations if they know they have your vote without it anyway.

If you treat your vote as something to be earned and don't vote without a reparations promise, at worst you continue to be ignored, i.e. status quo which is what would've happened if you voted blindly, but at best you put enough pressure to actually get some meaningful redress.

It's like knowing you're on the train to the death camp. You might as well try and fight the guards, even if you think it's unlikely you'll beat them.

While households of color are projected to reach majority status by 2043, if the racial wealth divide is left unaddressed, median Black household wealth is on a path to hit zero by 2053 and median Latino household wealth is projected to hit zero twenty years later. In sharp contrast, median White household wealth would climb to $137,000 by 2053.

- Institute for Policy Studies

Report: The Road to Zero Wealth - Institute for Policy Studies

 

[88m3]

They're suppressing black voters because black people don't vote for them. Obviously, they'd stop if black people were voting for them. And then we'd see Democrats suppressing the black vote.

As I keep saying, this is not about voting for a party because they are nice and want to be friends. Everybody else is out for their own interests, and black people should be too.

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