BREAKING: Tim Kaine to be Democratic VP nominee

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Originally Posted by Bureaucat
I look for Kaine to spend a heck of a lot of time in South Florida. It's significant that he's being introduced at Florida Internaional tomorrow in Miami. The student body there is 60% Hispanic. I think his temperament is another reason he was picked. He'll be a #2 who won't try to outshine #1. He'll probably be used working with Congress.

Back to the campaign side, it will be interesting to see how Bernie's speech at the Convention goes. Assuming that his determination of keeping Trump out of the White House is sincere, I could see Bernie working the campus circuit, trying to firm up the youth vote for the ticket. Warren could also play that role. In the home stretch, I can see Obama working the minority vote in places like Philadelphia, while Joe Biden makes appearances in place like his hometown of Scranton and with labor unions. I don't see any of the Democratic heavy hitters sitting out the election. In the end it will come down to Hillary and Trump, but she's going to get a lot of support. I can't see any name Democrats sitting this one out.


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The people that hate her wouldn't be voting for her no matter who she picked as VP. No need to appease a few when she can solidify the Hispanic base when Kaine starts spitting Spanish at every debate. While Trump is talking about building walls Kaine gonna be calling him an idiot in espanol :dead:

Yall boost y'all importance up too much :mjlol:

They equate receiving half of the votes in a primary with being half of the base of a party. I remember when conservative republicans thought the same thing :sas2:
 

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Tim Kaine Wouldn’t Do Much To Help Clinton Win The Election
But he could make a small difference.

By Nate Silver

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine at a rally July 14 at Northern Virginia Community College in Annandale, Virginia.
ANDREW HARNIK / AP

UPDATE (July 22, 9:30 p.m.): Hillary Clinton made it official Friday night, telling her supporters in a text message that she had chosen Tim Kaine to join her ticket.

If Hillary Clinton chooses Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate, as betting markets and journalists suspect, then in some ways, it’s a dull story. Kaine has traditional credentials, having served as Virginia’s governor before joining the U.S. Senate. He’s young enough, at 58, that he could run for president himself in 2020 or 2024. He’s not especially liberal, but he’s no Blue Dog Democrat, either. He’s a white guy, although he speaks good Spanish. If Mike Pence is a “generic Republican,” then Kaine is a “generic Democrat.”

The difference is that Kaine comes from a swing state, whereas Donald Trump would likely lose Pence’s home state, Indiana, only in a national landslide. If you’re going to pick someone from a swing state, is Virginia among the better options? And how much difference does the vice presidential nominee really make in his or her home state?

Our previous research suggests that a vice presidential pick adds about 2 percentage points to his party’s margin in his home state. So, for instance, if Clinton would otherwise win Virginia by 3 percentage points, her margin would theoretically increase to 5 points with Kaine on the ticket. Not all VP bonuses are created equal, of course; there’s some evidence that VP nominees chosen from less populous states (for instance, Joe Biden of Delaware or Sarah Palin of Alaska) make more difference than those picked from larger ones. But Kaine seems like a fairly typical case: Virginia is a medium-size state, and Kaine’s approval ratings there are solid but not spectacular.

It actually takes quite a confluence of circumstances, though, for those 2 percentage points in one swing state to change the winner of the Electoral College. For Kaine to swing the election for Clinton, she’d have to be losing Virginia without him (otherwise he’d be superfluous) but not losing it by more than 2 percentage points (otherwise, he wouldn’t help enough). Likewise, she’d have to be losing the Electoral College without Virginia’s 13 electoral votes, but she’d need to have at least 257 from other states or Virginia wouldn’t make a big enough impact.1

What are the odds of all of that happening? About 1 chance in 140, according to our polls-only model, based on a set of simulations I ran early Friday afternoon. That translates into only about a 0.7 percent chance that a VP pick from Virginia would swing the election to Clinton.

Not very impressive, right? Actually, it’s pretty good as far as these things go. A home-state VP pick would make more of an impact in Florida (where it would increase Clinton’s chances of winning the Electoral College by 1.8 percentage points), Ohio (1.3 points), Pennsylvania (1.1 points) or North Carolina (0.8 points). But Virginia is fifth on the list.

HOME STATE OF VP NOMINEE PERCENTAGE POINT CHANGE IN CHANCE OF WINNING ELECTORAL COLLEGE
Florida +1.8
Ohio +1.3
Pennsylvania +1.1
North Carolina +0.8
Virginia +0.7
Michigan +0.4
Iowa +0.4
Colorado +0.4
Minnesota +0.4
Nevada +0.3
Arizona +0.3
Wisconsin +0.3
Georgia +0.3

Calculations are derived from FiveThirtyEight’s polls-only model and assume that the running mate would add a net of 2 percentage points to Clinton’s margin in his or her home state.

I’ve seen some griping that Kaine is a poor pick because Clinton ought to be able to win Virginia without him. In theory, that makes sense. Virginia’s demographics don’t seem very Trumpian. And mathematically, you stand to gain more from a VP pick in a state that’s slightly below-average for you than one that’s slightly above-average. But based on the polls, Clinton is vulnerable in Virginia. She leads there by only 2.6 percentage points in the polls-only model as of this afternoon, almost exactly matching her 2.5-point lead nationally.

Of course, a 0.7 percent increase in your chances of winning the Electoral College wouldn’t be worth it if your VP pick caused you problems in other respects. Presidential candidates seem to realize this, which is why there have been running mates from non-competitive states such as Delaware and Wyoming in recent years. But elections are won on the margins, and Clinton would be marginally better off with Kaine’s help in Virginia than without it.

Tim Kaine Wouldn’t Do Much To Help Clinton Win The Election
 

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social security is broken, and if you arent able to admit that you might be a liberal fakkit :ehh:

im all for social security. but this system...does not work. it WILL run out, and no politician has the balls to say it. so where the fukk is that leading us? to absolute disaster :what:

so tim kaine loses no points here imo
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Something is off about this Kaine guy. I dig his story, but he looks like a bit of a nut. His mannerisms are funny style. :jbhmm:
 

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Trump can win this without Virginia and Florida but he would need Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and to flip New Hampshire. Too much for his campaign to ask?
PA is Clinton Country. The Clinton campaign has had a massive voter registration setup in Florida the last 2 years. They're not losing VA with Kaine on board and Clinton loyalist Gov Terry McAuliffe. Idk how Trump gets to 270 even if he wins Ohio.
 

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How is that stupid? She knows she has minorities in the bag b/c of Trump.
Because she can still lose if turnout is low. Romney won 60%+ of white people and still lost. Those white men are not going to vote for her. However, if young people or progressives stay home, then the Senate win is in jeopardy. 71% of a group that only showed up at a 20% clip in 2014 just voted against you. You might want to motivate them. Trump is so toxic that a surge among that group will may damn near put the house in jeopardy. You probably can't pick Warren but someone with progressive bonafide would say something. Kaine is a safe pick, but the Republicans stacked the deck in Congress and your party has been losing every election since 2010 more or less. This is where you prove you meant that progressive shyt in the primary.

Instead you select a guy who had state college tuition go up 30% during his term in VA. A guy who is basically pro life, a guy who strongly supported a bill that meant a minimum of 5 years for being caught with a gun on you regardless of whether you actually inflicted any harm. A guy supports a no fly zone in Syria. The guy who is heavy for TPP and bank deregulation. In other words, he's the type of Democrat that the left is tired of and that the right won't vote for anyway.

Do you guys know anything about real grassroots politics outside of CNN? I'm dead serious.
 
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