Bron Ball: The worst offense of all time?

[360Waves]

My argument is that you're an insufferable, hypocritical LeBron stan, and you only furthered my point by admitting your logic was "literally the stupidest argument on Earth". I ain't trying to hear all that other shyt, because I wasn't arguing against it in the first place, nor do I care about your position on it either, because you've proven time and time again you're only going to look at this shyt through a certain lens.

This marks the third time in this thread alone you got cooked and couldn’t think up a proper response so you proceed to ignore everything I typed and deflect with insults. I never said talent doesn’t win rings. Talent supersedes any kind of system in basketball which is why Cleveland can’t beat GS, that was my literal point.

But if we’re using a 10 year sample size, Bron Ball has consistently gotten franchises to places where others couldn’t regardless of how the roster has looked. It has been successful with terrible squads and elite squads alike, so what’s your point? As if LeBron should be ashamed or think less of his system because he’s losing to a literal all star team which by the way was put together in response to the dominance OF his system.

Let it be known you’re also on the record calling LeBron the “greatest game manager in NBA history” but are in here tryna simultaneously suggest that the system he manages, is broken.

And what’s most sad is I saw this response coming from you a mile away. You’re washed bro, predictable as all hell.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This marks the third time in this thread alone you got cooked and couldn’t think up a proper response so you proceed to ignore everything I typed and deflect with insults

All I pointed out was the error in your logic when I initially quoted you - NONE of this other shyt you're regurgitating was even a part of it. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote when I quoted you in the first place, and stop trying to force the issue by re-packaging your agenda with a wall of straw man text that has absolutely no purpose or relevance to what I pointed out.

 

[360Waves]

All I pointed out was the error in your logic when I initially quoted you - NONE of this other shyt you're regurgitating was even a part of it. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote when I quoted you in the first place, and stop trying to force the issue by re-packaging your agenda with a wall of text that has absolutely no purpose or relevance to what I pointed out.

I’ve pointed out that there’s no error in my logic and given my reasoning as to why but you continue to conveniently cut those parts out of my quoted post and deflect with insults or “I don’t care what you think.” For obvious reasons.

This one is wrapped up better luck next time though.

 

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

I think we need to stop attributing Miami's titles to Bron Ball. Towards the end the offense was extremely Bron centric but nothing like what we've seen since he returned to CLE.

So using a 10 year window and including his Heat run is disingenuous.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I’ve pointed out that there’s no error in my logic

This is literally the stupidest argument on earth because you could say this for just about any championship team.

Contradict yourself over and over and over and over again, brehs.

 

[360Waves]

Contradict yourself over and over and over and over again, brehs.

Again, theres a good 10-15 posts between those two pointing out exactly what I meant by “this is literally the stupidest argument ever”, but you’ve ignored them or cut out the relevant parts explaining my thoughts when you’ve quoted them because your entire foundation is built on dishonesty.

I mean you are outright cutting out huge chunks of my posts and saying “I don’t care what you think” on some remedial 3rd grader shyt. Why don’t you go back and do the reading? Because it seems you need it.

I know you’re autistic, so you will continue to quote me because it kills you to not get the last word in. But it is what it is, you lost. And much unlike you, I have a job to attend to.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Name the finals LeBron should've won outside of Mavs given his roster.

2014 was basically a wash. Vegas had the Spurs as slight favorites over the Heat, but earlier in the season the Heat were the favorites.

In other words, they were closely matched. If Bron is the GOAT, he should have been the deciding factor in battle of closely matched teams.

 

[Rigby.]

Have you watched Har_en in the postseason? Since joining the rockets he shoots 41% from the field, 32.6% from deep, and averaged 4.5 turnovers per game in the playoffs. The only two pressure games I can recall him showing up for in his entire playoff career were game 5 of the 2012 finals and game 5 of the 2015 semifinals.

I didn’t say curry wasn’t better, I just said that he wasn’t unequivocally better. Just due to the fact that curry doesn’t play on a team that’s gonna go to the shytter when he disappears. I gotta give James at least that benefit of the doubt, it wouldn’t be fair otherwise.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

2014 was basically a wash. Vegas had the Spurs as slight favorites over the Heat, but earlier in the season the Heat were the favorites.

In other words, they were closely matched. If Bron is the GOAT, he should have been the deciding factor in battle of closely matched teams.

It wasn’t a wash for real.. just a sucker’s bet... anyone with an ounce of ball sense knew the Spurs were the much better team... they were the better team in 2013 as well....... but somehow, the Heat pull it off

 

[Professor Emeritus]

2014 was basically a wash. Vegas had the Spurs as slight favorites over the Heat, but earlier in the season the Heat were the favorites.

In other words, they were closely matched. If Bron is the GOAT, he should have been the deciding factor in battle of closely matched teams.

That doesn't work - you can't make Lebron's impact count twice. Vegas already was factoring in that Bron was far and away the best player in the series, and still didn't think the Heat were good enough to overcome the Spurs. And they weren't even factoring in the full extent to how injured Wade was going to be or that Bosh would simply refuse to show up.

In 2014 you had the Spurs better at literally every position other than Lebron AND with a better bench AND with better coaching. And then throw in the AC shenanigans in San Antonio just to put icing on the cake. Even a potential GOAT is having a hard time overcoming that, which is why all the GOAT candidates lost more years than they won.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think we need to stop attributing Miami's titles to Bron Ball. Towards the end the offense was extremely Bron centric but nothing like what we've seen since he returned to CLE.

So using a 10 year window and including his Heat run is disingenuous.

That's actually true, but it's the haters who keep claiming otherwise. I must have seen at least 20 versions of "Bron has refused to ever play in any offensive system" or "Bron can't play off ball" in the last day alone.

These are haters just from the first two pages of this thread. THEY are the ones you should be preaching to:

Bron has played Bron ball his ENTIRE career, including when he was getting bounced in the 2nd round

he has never not played "bron ball" that's why he only has 3 rings and not 6.. but its easy to shyt on him now while he is losing so I'm a leave it at that

Lebron has been playing some version of Bron ball since he ran Paul Silas out of Cleveland.

What's frustrating is, he really could have been the GOAT if he just refused to play Bron Ball. He'd have easily gotten himself 7 or 8 chips by now - maybe even more.
Instead, because of his refusal to play any other way, he's stuck with 3 chips at the moment.

Bron plays the way that fits his personnel and is enabled by his coaches. Mike Brown was a terrible offensive coach and the personnel in his first Cleveland run couldn't create shots for shyt, so an early inefficient version of "Bron ball" was the only thing that worked. In Miami Spolstra was extra slow to get anything implemented, but by the 3rd year the Heat were really rolling with a lot of excellent two-man game between Lebron and Wade and all sorts of off-ball movement. In Cleveland Lebron and Miller bought into Blatt's motion offense at the beginning, but the personnel just didn't fit - Kyrie was reluctant to buy in and Waiters/TT were straight incapable (nor JR and Shump when they showed up). Bron ball with Kyrie isolations were what won them the title in 2016.

 

[JackRoss]

My bulls ain’t won shyt since ‘98 and we’ve never had to deal with this nikka on our team ... does that mean our offenses have been better than Bron Ball all of these years

Vinny Del Negro, Scott Skiles, Bill Cartwright and Tim Floyd offensive >>>>>>>>>>>> Bron ball .. I think that's how this goes

 

[Throwbacksample]

“Bron Ball” has 3 rings, more than any other team since 2010. Literally no one saw the Warriors coming, especially the KD move. You take them out of the equation and “Bron Ball” probably has 5-6 rings. NBA fans are the most hyperbolic fukk wits in all of sports

Miami was not really running Bron Ball like Cleveland is now. Wade was not a spot up shooter like J.R Smith is.

 

[Bilz]

The "Bron ball" offense generates good shots. I don't really understand the complaints outside of those who just don't like the aesthetics of it. It's not like any of LeBron's teams would have been better off not giving him the ball so much.

 

[Left.A1]

Vinny Del Negro, Scott Skiles, Bill Cartwright and Tim Floyd offensive >>>>>>>>>>>> Bron ball .. I think that's how this goes