Broussard lists his Top 20 NBA GOATs w/Tiers

[Luke Cage]

I'm glad you moved away from that irrelevant first comment. 2 rings with Wade before Wade's body broke down. 1 ring with AD at a stage of Bron's career where his own durability and availability faded, taking them out of contention.

And this doesn't address the point of the 90s being thinned out by expansion. Cats always talk about the behemoths but never acknowledge that no team had a #2 anywhere near Pippen.

That talking point wasn't irrelavant. It was to show that plenty of players have had the same oppotunitites as MJ. Most players get to play with even better rosters than MJ ever did in their careers, And they achieve less success.
Its gotten to the point where we are acting like scottie is on the same level as KD. Dude is overrated. I'd rather play with Harden and Russ as young players than just Scottie and Horace. Bulls weren't some stacked team where success was inevitable. They succeeded because of MJ end of story.
Other players can't threepeat because they are not as dominant as MJ. not because they needed more help.

 

[mitter]

I'm not that interested in a modern NBA that makes it possible for someone like Curry to be ranked higher than someone like Hakeem.

What a joke.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I'm not that interested in a modern NBA that makes it possible for someone like Curry to be ranked higher than someone like Hakeem.

What a joke.

What's the issue..? Curry won more and is literally the best shooter in basketball history...

 

[Shadow King]

That talking point wasn't irrelavant. It was to show that plenty of players have had the same oppotunitites as MJ. Most players get to play with even better rosters than MJ ever did in their careers, And they achieve less success.
Its gotten to the point where we are acting like scottie is on the same level as KD. Dude is overrated. I'd rather play with Harden and Russ as young players than just Scottie and Horace. Bulls weren't some stacked team where success was inevitable. They succeeded because of MJ end of story.
Other players can't threepeat because they are not as dominant as MJ. not because they needed more help.

It is irrelevant because the likes of:

Post-ACL Rose
KAT
Egg-laying 7 foot Harden Embiid

Are nowhere near the Jordan/LeBron discussion, which is what I was responding to.

The superior rosters argument applies to the entire league which was my point.

 

[murksiderock]

It's disrespectful because
A) You said there's nothing Zeke does better and he only shot more. We know Zeke sacrificed his stats to win and finishing is probably the only thing Parker is better at.

Tony was not the best player for his four rings. Zeke was historically unique as the only little guy to be the best player for multiple rings...until Steph.

Unlike Stern's darling they weren't in serious DPOY contention despite doing what he did.

I'm a huge Parker guy, and he's historically underrated for being the driving force of the 2010s Comeback Spurs. When they transitioned from a Duncan-oriented offense to a Parker one, when they transitioned to Parker as their closer, that shyt was on full display in the period between Duncan's decline and Kawhi's ascent...

It wasnt even that long ago and Parker is still undervalued historically. He gets left off everytime someone says "small guards who won a title as a #1", because he did it in '14 but that "ensemble" narrative is louder (though like you said he absolutely didnt win multiple rings as a #1)...

I honestly feel like Isiah was the better player, but Top 20 is too high. Top 25 is too high. We can start at Top 30 but his prime wasn't long enough, and we undersell just how strong that team around him was.....but mf's bring that up about Parker religiously

Parker is a GOAT75 player for me. Zeke is GOAT30. Top 20 is too high for me, though!

Idgaf what anybody says, Bean can sit at the same table as Mike and DEFINITLEY lebron

Hes lying. There are more people that will say Kobe is the GOAT than say he isnt top-10

No lies told, but you know this. Kobe ain't nowhere near a seat with LeBron, Mike the only guy in range of conversation with Bron. Been that way almost 9 years now...

‘01-‘03 Kobe was a top 3 NBA offensive and defensive player. I don’t understand why Curry’s defense isn’t taken into account during these discussions.

It is but his offense is so iconic his defense can take a backseat. That window you're talking about, as great as Kobe was then, it was Shaq and Duncan interchangeably as the best players alive...

 

[Trojan 24]

He was too scared to put MJ in his own tier like he should be, otherwise I won't argue with the rest

 

[Shadow King]

I'm a huge Parker guy, and he's historically underrated for being the driving force of the 2010s Comeback Spurs. When they transitioned from a Duncan-oriented offense to a Parker one, when they transitioned to Parker as their closer, that shyt was on full display in the period between Duncan's decline and Kawhi's ascent...

It wasnt even that long ago and Parker is still undervalued historically. He gets left off everytime someone says "small guards who won a title as a #1", because he did it in '14 but that "ensemble" narrative is louder (though like you said he absolutely didnt win multiple rings as a #1)...

I honestly feel like Isiah was the better player, but Top 20 is too high. Top 25 is too high. We can start at Top 30 but his prime wasn't long enough, and we undersell just how strong that team around him was.....but mf's bring that up about Parker religiously

Parker is a GOAT75 player for me. Zeke is GOAT30. Top 20 is too high for me, though!



No lies told, but you know this. Kobe ain't nowhere near a seat with LeBron, Mike the only guy in range of conversation with Bron. Been that way almost 9 years now...

It is but his offense is so iconic his defense can take a backseat. That window you're talking about, as great as Kobe was then, it was Shaq and Duncan interchangeably as the best players alive...

There's 26 people in this graphic, if Zeke isn't Top 25 it's because he's #26. There ain't too many more people to try to argue. B2B rings as a 6 foot alpha dog, unprecedented, is hard to knock down.

 

[Trojan 24]

Idgaf what anybody says, Bean can sit at the same table as Mike and DEFINITLEY lebron

LeCal Ripken Jr is closer to Kobe/Magic/Kareem/Steph grouping then Jordan. No matter what the homos and computers tell you

 

[lib123]

I'm a huge Parker guy, and he's historically underrated for being the driving force of the 2010s Comeback Spurs. When they transitioned from a Duncan-oriented offense to a Parker one, when they transitioned to Parker as their closer, that shyt was on full display in the period between Duncan's decline and Kawhi's ascent...

It wasnt even that long ago and Parker is still undervalued historically. He gets left off everytime someone says "small guards who won a title as a #1", because he did it in '14 but that "ensemble" narrative is louder (though like you said he absolutely didnt win multiple rings as a #1)...

I honestly feel like Isiah was the better player, but Top 20 is too high. Top 25 is too high. We can start at Top 30 but his prime wasn't long enough, and we undersell just how strong that team around him was.....but mf's bring that up about Parker religiously

Parker is a GOAT75 player for me. Zeke is GOAT30. Top 20 is too high for me, though!



No lies told, but you know this. Kobe ain't nowhere near a seat with LeBron, Mike the only guy in range of conversation with Bron. Been that way almost 9 years now...

It is but his offense is so iconic his defense can take a backseat. That window you're talking about, as great as Kobe was then, it was Shaq and Duncan interchangeably as the best players alive...

Nah Curry’s defense has to be taken into account when comparing him to the other all-time greats.

 

[SunZoo]

Russ > Jerry West

shyt I'd rank him over Isiah too if we doing the stats thing that has Lebron so high, fukk you nikkas laughing at my post

 

[Derek Lee]

Kobe stans

 

[Sccit]

This might be blasphemy but it's hard for me to see the all time greatness of Isiah Thomas.

That's just me. There have been so many guards over the years that in my mind, loom larger.

STICK TO BASEBALL RAUL

 

[BlueHeffner]

I'm a huge Parker guy, and he's historically underrated for being the driving force of the 2010s Comeback Spurs. When they transitioned from a Duncan-oriented offense to a Parker one, when they transitioned to Parker as their closer, that shyt was on full display in the period between Duncan's decline and Kawhi's ascent...

It wasnt even that long ago and Parker is still undervalued historically. He gets left off everytime someone says "small guards who won a title as a #1", because he did it in '14 but that "ensemble" narrative is louder (though like you said he absolutely didnt win multiple rings as a #1)...

I honestly feel like Isiah was the better player, but Top 20 is too high. Top 25 is too high. We can start at Top 30 but his prime wasn't long enough, and we undersell just how strong that team around him was.....but mf's bring that up about Parker religiously

Parker is a GOAT75 player for me. Zeke is GOAT30. Top 20 is too high for me, though!



No lies told, but you know this. Kobe ain't nowhere near a seat with LeBron, Mike the only guy in range of conversation with Bron. Been that way almost 9 years now...

It is but his offense is so iconic his defense can take a backseat. That window you're talking about, as great as Kobe was then, it was Shaq and Duncan interchangeably as the best players alive...

So Lebron with his 3 Superteam rings in 2016 put him way above Kobe all-time?

 

[murksiderock]

So Lebron with his 3 Superteam rings in 2016 put him way above Kobe all-time?

LeBron passed Kobe when he beat SA in '13. He passed Mike in '16...

In real time he was already a better player than Kobe. Their primes overlapped for about 9 years (2004-05, to 2012-13). Bron was a better player most of their overlapping primes, he just needed the rings to pass him historically...

 

[BlueHeffner]

LeBron passed Kobe when he beat SA in '13. He passed Mike in '16...