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Yep, Lyor got in Jay's ear like "You don't need this nikka Dame, you can be the boss", and it was a wrap.
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Cam'Ron And Dame ...why did they not start up or continue the ROC after Jay left?
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Cam went double Platinum and Juelz showed signs of stardom(Nike Deal, buzzing with Wayne) while later going Gold.
Dipset was making noise and producing on rocafella.
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Jay was the main one against Kanye being one of their artist, Dame was telling Kanye to chill and wait, Jay was flat out against it.
It was only after found success and proved himself that Jay opened up to him becoming an artist.
max b and stacks were on there way stardom before he got locked up and stacks got killed.
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Cam only went platinum on Rocafella and Juelz proved to be a bum when it was all said and done, which is said because he coulda had these young cats on his wave after the Roc. All the potential and he fell into a pattern of mediocrity.
That whole Dipset era was a chance for Cam/Jimmy/Juelz to carve out a permanent lane but dudes didn't wanna play their positions, put in the work and stay consistent. Cam struck gold with the hood classic movie "Killa Season" and coulda had the hood movie game on lock coming outta NY.
BUt he thought he could ultimately go up against Jay and 50 and that shyt can never work no matter how funny the diss records are. Hold down your lane and make some good music.
They more than likely did it out of spite as a "fukk you" gesture. When it was clear they couldn't stop Jay from doing him they held on to the only thing they had left. It's like a chick breaking up with a dude and the dude is getting super emotional, calling her a bytch and acting a fool because she won't listen and will have a new dikk in her ass by the end of the week.
Stupidly, for them, RD is fukking worthless except for the sentimental value Jay holds for it. Biggs/Dame coulda gave up RD and took the Rocafella imprint to Warner (before Lyor went there) or Sony, started a joint venture and rebuild the damn brand with new infrastructure that those companies woulda provided. They woulda had some $, offices, corporate leadership and distribution. But you KNOW Dame didn't wanna be a worker under someone else's system. So he kept RD (like a fool), took a deal with Def Jam for DDMG and ran that shyt into the ground like they knew he would do.
Meanwhile, Jay is the "president" of Def Jam like
while Dame was 
and artists like LL were 
because Jay was busy throwing money at NEYO and giving Rihanna a Fefe Dobson makeover
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SumBlackguyz
Cacs Gonna Cac
stop it. dude come with the exact same flow, cadence, and delivery for every line and every song he ever did
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i always figured with the momentum Cam had and how people really knew about b-team/c-teamers in Dipset that Cam felt it was time to be his own boss and then with what he saw with Dame/Jay didn't want to end up in a situation like that.
Dame also screamed on the Weinsteins in public..that was probably one of the dumbest things he did.
speaking of artists being moved about on the labels..does anybody remember the hear say that Jay wanted to keep Juelz on the re-vamped Rocafella when they did the XXL cover with the presidents office with Bleek/Young Gunz etc.. and Cam told them nah, that Juelz was his artist and he'd only deal with LA Reid over there at Def Jam ?
Dame and Cam seem to be with Smoke DZA a lot these days...maybe they are trying to do something with him.
he really does, he ruined a chunk of Dames episode of Combat Jack going over those times with his whining.
i remember the rumor that the final straw was Dame clowning Bleek at the Change Clothes video and Hov told him they wouldnt have to put up with him for much longer.
It's hard for two dudes with the same personality type to work together in that capacity. The fact that Dame & Jay were different in many ways helped their business relationship work over the long term.
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I seriously doubt it.
All the relevant words is that the two grew apart.
Dame was out screaming on nikkas you shouldn't scream on, fukking all the girls in the city, getting fukked up, giving out a million dollars each to rappers with no future, putting random nikkas on the board and on and on. While Jay-z was trying to mature around 2002-2003.
People forget that they had different levels of friends, Jays real nikkas that went back with him to his Brooklyn days are still with him. And Dame has his gang of dudes and brothers are still with him. They wanted different things, had their own friends that were independent of jay/dame's relationship. So Dame did his thing by staying indie and jay did his thing by going corporate. I don't think two real nikkas like them needed a cac to tell them not to fukk with each other.
Dame obviously thought he could do his own thing, which was why he signed mad cats cause Jay had been talking about retiring since forever. I personally think Dame fukked up with his anti-social ways in an industry that's all about contacts.