Am I really agreeing with @Pink_Freud on something? 
Can anyone explain to me why single payer health care is bad for America?
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You think all this shyt grows on trees? Wtf are you talking about?
Of course it's fixed.
"Not fixed" ≠ "Unlimited"
Am I really agreeing with @Pink_Freud on something?
the thing is, outside of some of the nonsense on here, you, @Call Me James and I probably agree on a lot of shyt.....
This shyt has me fukked up.
I'm pleasantly surprised myself.
the thing is, outside of some of the nonsense on here, you, @Call Me James and I probably agree on a lot of shyt.....
does youtube have healthcare?
to be fair, has any country regretted it?With a single payer, systemic health care quality and cost controls can be implemented far better. The consumer can comment directly on the quality of care in a way that allows the system to adapt. This really isn't possible in the current insurance environment, as the complexity in the system makes it really difficult to come up systemic improvements. In a single payer system there is the possibility for cost transparency, significant reductions in administrative feeds and regular, systemic improvements in care.
In terms of single payer going backrupt, here's a list of 33 developed countries, all of which have either single payer, two tier (with minimum coverage and the ability to buy higher coverage) and insurance mandate similar to Obama care. There is no developed nation that uses the model you advocate other than the US, which has costs
Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
United States 2014? Insurance Mandate (soon to be removed)
Stating that single payer will go bankrupt whereas private coverage won't, or is somehow cheaper simple doesn't match reality. The US has the most expensive health care in the developed world. We spend more on health care for less results with higher rising costs than virtually anyone else (Obamacare did put a dent rate of increase). Nobody else in the world is charting our course. It could be because, you know, our course sucks.
We pay more than anyone else for really crappy coverage, if you include the entire population. You may be worried about the country going backrupt - our current system has citizens going bankrupt.
Thats the question.
theres also the issue that the US pretty much produces all the medicine everyone else uses
we also have this thing called...states...
Now other countries do too, but our states have more power than states in other countries. ...this complicates things.
Taiwan and Switzerland are two countries that implemented changes to their healthcare systems relatively recently. In the case of Switzerland, they had pretty much the exact same system we had before that.
In the case of Taiwan, they looked at the systems across the world and took what they think worked best and implemented in their system. One thing they emphatically stated is that there was nothing in the US system worth taking. They said they like some privatization and they admired that but knew their citizens did not desire a system like the US . I'm quoting from a person involved with their healthcare system and interview he did with PBS a while back.
In the case of Switzerland, there was a loud conservative section of the country that decried the socialization of their healthcare system and the healthcare reform was put up to a national vote where it won by a very slim margin. I've seen interviews with these conservative politicians today, including those that initially were against it, and they now view it as a right and enjoy the change they made.
No healthcare system is perfect, but many of these countries have a BETTER system than we do for a LOT LESS money. There are problems that require changes and a lot of these countries are dealing with not having enough money for their HC systems. However, when put side by side with our GDP where they are spending like 2-3% and they are underfunded while we're spending 17% fukking percent, then a tax increase to cover the deficit in their systems is still going to be MUCH lower than what we spend in the United States. They are worried they have to increase spending by 1% while here in the states, healthcare spending increased by 5% from 2013 to 2014 for example.
It always blows my mind that a lot of the rhetoric here is that tax money may go to help someone "poor" or "lazy" but people have no issue with throwing money down the defense spending money pit and don't blink an eye at a fukking 20 billion dollar useless wall.