Can Muslims and Christians both be right?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

For starters:

The video misrepresents a lot of early Christian doctrine, but that is to be expected from someone who denies Jesus even existed......



Quite easy to understand his views on Paul. BTW, Paul didn't change anything. The Apostolic Conference in Jerusalem concluded that Gentiles didn't have to follow the Law (specifically circumcision), not Jews, in 50 CE. If what Paul was teaching were completely opposite to that of Jesus' own teachings, it stands to reason that what he was suggesting wouldn't have been entertained or allowed by them since they were instructed by Jesus, himself.​

 

[Thsnnor]

Paul used to be Saul and was one of the highest ranking member of the Pharisees. Paul knew enough to correct Peter.

 

[Turk]

Piss be upon you, fakkit

Don't stoop down to his level.........just put him on ignore

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Don't stoop down to his level.........just put him on ignore

I never put anyone on ignore, and never will, but you're right, it was childish of my part

 

[lini...]

The video misrepresents a lot of early Christian doctrine, but that is to be expected from someone who denies Jesus even existed......



Quite easy to understand his views on Paul. BTW, Paul didn't change anything. The Apostolic Conference in Jerusalem concluded that Gentiles didn't have to follow the Law (specifically circumcision), not Jews, in 50 CE. If what Paul was teaching were completely opposite to that of Jesus' own teachings, it stands to reason that what he was suggesting wouldn't have been entertained or allowed by them since they were instructed by Jesus, himself.​

In this video, it is explicitly explained where Jesus' (pbuh) and Paul's teaching differ on a major issue. I have never seen someone ignore facts as you have in this thread. It's astounding.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

In this video, it is explicitly explained where Jesus' (pbuh) and Paul's teaching differ on a major issue. I have never seen someone ignore facts as you have in this thread. It's astounding.

There is no major issue and Paul's teaching didn't differentiate. It was verified by the Apostles, Jesus' own students.​

 

[Thsnnor]

Jesus vs. Mohammed

Death
Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Muhammad died and stayed dead.

Fighting
Jesus never fought.
Muhammad fought many many times.

Hearing from God
When Jesus heard from God, he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness. (Mark 1:14-15).
When Muhammad heard from God (supposedly through an angel), he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide. (Quran 74:1-5)

Identity
Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man. Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life. (John 14:6).
Muhammad claimed to be a man.

Instructions Received
Jesus received instructions from God the Father (John 5:19)
Muhammad received instructions allegedly from an angel

Killing
Jesus never killed anyone.
Muhammad killed many.

Life
Jesus had the power to take life but never did. He restored it. No one ever died in Jesus' presence.
Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it. Many people died in Muhammad's presence--he killed them.

Marriage
Jesus never married.
Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine-year-old girl.

Ministry
Jesus received his calling from God directly. (Matt. 3:17). Jesus received his commission in the daylight.
Muhammad allegedly received it from an angel (Gabriel). Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.

Ministry Length
Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years.
Muhammad taught for more than 20 years.

Miracles
Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead.
Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.

Prophecy
Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah.
Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).

Sacrifice
Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others.
Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.

Sin
Jesus never sinned. (1 Pet. 2:22)
Muhammad was a sinner. (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)

Slaves
Jesus owned no slaves.
Muhammad owned slaves.

Virgin Birth
Jesus was virgin born.
Muhammad was not virgin born.

Voice of God
Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God. (Mark 1:10-11)
Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.

Women
Jesus spoke well of women.
Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.

 

[lini...]

Thsnnor, though much of you posted is incorrect, I am not interested in which Prophet of God is better. We are taught not to make distinctions between prophets. I love and respect both men. That is the great thing about Al-Islam, we don't have to fight over the 2 most influential men in history. We have both, while others have 1 or none.

 

[Everythingg]

Thsnnor, though much of you posted is incorrect, I am not interested in which Prophet of God is better. We are taught not to make distinctions between prophets. I love and respect both men. That is the great thing about Al-Islam, we don't have to fight over the 2 most influential men in history. We have both, while others have 1 or none.

Muslims worship the God of Abraham but dont follow the commandments He gave to Moses because of what again...? No beef, just askin....

 

[the cac mamba]

Thsnnor, though much of you posted is incorrect, I am not interested in which Prophet of God is better. We are taught not to make distinctions between prophets. I love and respect both men. That is the great thing about Al-Islam, we don't have to fight over the 2 most influential men in history. We have both, while others have 1 or none.

but how can you IGNORE that one claimed the only way to god was through him?

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

but how can you IGNORE that one claimed to be god/'s son?

That's a lie

 

[the cac mamba]

That's a lie

leme go edit that

 

[IVS]

I'll never care about what God gave to Abraham or Moses, because civilization and governance existed long before the Bible or any Jacobite\Israelite people came into existence as proven by the Bible. The Egyptians had a government, laws and a moral code, hence why Moses had to flee into the desert after killing two men. In Abraham's time he entered Egypt and other regions were ahead of the so called Jews. The Canaanites, Philistines etc had a cities, temples and their own religion in the time of Moses.

And there is no way anybody can say that Christianity is more right than Islam, because Christianity according to the its new testament doctrine is a false faith that completely contradicts the new testament and anthropomorphs the eternal god into Jesus of Nazareth. The whole story associated with Jesus is laughable...dude is born of a virgin, walks on waters, is assasinated and ascends into heaven. not to mention walking on water and sh!t like that. Sounds like the stories you'd manufacture around a cult leader.

I bet if a scientologist told you those same things about L. Ron Hubbard you'd look at them crazy, even is he had alleged eyewitness accounts of these events because the idea alone is absurd.

At least Islam does not even attempt to say that Muhammad was God incarnate, so from that alone you have to say Islam\Mohammedian-ism is more correct than Christianity-Catholicism. Islam at least knows there is no God, but God...he has no form and cannot be confined to a body or die. Islam has its share of non-sense though too like Muhammad's night journey.

And neither the Jacobites, Arabs, nor Christians were the first to introduce such a concept as throughout the east you will find Brahman as the concept of the eternal force and\or great mystery. In China you find Tien (the sky, heaven), chukwu, in the American Wakan Tanka etc. Man can believe in one God, but still have fetishes and practice ancestor and\or nature worship.

 

[Thsnnor]

Thsnnor, though much of you posted is incorrect, I am not interested in which Prophet of God is better. We are taught not to make distinctions between prophets. I love and respect both men. That is the great thing about Al-Islam, we don't have to fight over the 2 most influential men in history. We have both, while others have 1 or none.

Everything I've written thus far can be backed up with the Bible (KJV), the Koran and the Hadidths.

There is only one way to salvation. This is the most important thing you can do in your live as it has consequences after you die. Eternity is a LONG time to be wrong. It was said if a bird could take a grain of sand from Earth to the Moon one by one by and bring them back one by one it would not be a drop in the bucket in Eternity.

One thing that i've heard recently that disturbed me was hearing about how soldiers were soaking the tips of their bullets in bacon fat and pigs blood before shooting. Some remarked even if people commited Jihad they would not see paradise because they were shot.

Jesus offers salvation as He is the only way. Anyone who calls on His name shall be saved. Nothing to earn, nothing to accumulate.

Just as we all have free will we can either choose to accept or reject. Search out the truth.

 

[Thsnnor]

I'll never care about what God gave to Abraham or Moses, because civilization and governance existed long before the Bible or any Jacobite\Israelite people came into existence as proven by the Bible. The Egyptians had a government, laws and a moral code, hence why Moses had to flee into the desert after killing two men. In Abraham's time he entered Egypt and other regions were ahead of the so called Jews. The Canaanites, Philistines etc had a cities, temples and their own religion in the time of Moses.

And there is no way anybody can say that Christianity is more right than Islam, because Christianity according to the its new testament doctrine is a false faith that completely contradicts the new testament and anthropomorphs the eternal god into Jesus of Nazareth. The whole story associated with Jesus is laughable...dude is born of a virgin, walks on waters, is assasinated and ascends into heaven. not to mention walking on water and sh!t like that. Sounds like the stories you'd manufacture around a cult leader.

I bet if a scientologist told you those same things about L. Ron Hubbard you'd look at them crazy, even is he had alleged eyewitness accounts of these events because the idea alone is absurd.

At least Islam does not even attempt to say that Muhammad was God incarnate, so from that alone you have to say Islam\Mohammedian-ism is more correct than Christianity-Catholicism. Islam at least knows there is no God, but God...he has no form and cannot be confined to a body or die. Islam has its share of non-sense though too like Muhammad's night journey.

And neither the Jacobites, Arabs, nor Christians were the first to introduce such a concept as throughout the east you will find Brahman as the concept of the eternal force and\or great mystery. In China you find Tien (the sky, heaven), chukwu, in the American Wakan Tanka etc. Man can believe in one God, but still have fetishes and practice ancestor and\or nature worship.

None of those others can save you or offer you salvation. There is something in each of us that looks for something greater than ourselves. It would be disservice to not follow the truth and only stay with something cause it gives us comfort.

Even Jesus was seen by over 500 people AFTER His resurrection. If it were not true Christianity would have imploded 2000 years ago cause they would have asked those who claimed to see Him.