Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[FruitOfTheVale]

he gave one example of an alternative. i haven't read the whole interview so i don't know if it would fit for him to outline a whole 10-point plan, but i don't know many people who add 17 alternatives to an "i can show them x instead y" statement.

and the bolded is exactly the mentality he wants to break. you're not keeping that on you in compton because you fear bears or a rapist, you're keeping it on you in response to the "anything can pop off" mentality of the hood, because some other dude with a lack of respect for life may roll up on you. people need to get over that "ready for whatever" mentality when it comes to dealing with each other, that needs to be the stance to outsiders...our oppressors.

That is exactly my point though, these kids live in FEAR. They often live in fear of being hungry, in fear of being weak, in fear of their own family and peers, in fear of incarceration, etc. Violence is one of the most natural responses to fear that there is. It (temporarily) gives you agency instead of always feeling like the victim.

Your point about these fears being misdirected at ourselves instead of our oppressors is very true. Having knowledge of self isn't quite the same as believing in yourself and your people though...You can recognize that the institutionalization of neighborhoods like Rosecrans stems from the oppression of outsiders but still hold the same negative views of your own people which stem from deeply internalized fear. Kendrick has made a number of statements that lead me to believe that deep down he sees his people as a lost cause.

 

[Insensitive]

this thread has labeled them fake deep and smart dumb nikkas...basically i've ascertained from this thread that everyone should be called fake deep unless they have a phd on every subject that comes out their mouth.

I forgot that this is TheColi where posters often operate in extremes.
Where in my post did you get the idea that someone needed a "PHD" to speak on a subject at least
somewhat competently ?

Joey badAss and Lupe Fiasco have both disappointed me when given a position to speak publicly.
They're great rappers, excellent in that specific skillset but they've shown themselves to be very
lacking in understanding certain topics.

I mean right now we've got a thread going where Joey said something extremely ignorant, something
someone even casually interested in these topics would guffaw at because it was just so...wrong.

Being a great rapper does not necessarily mean outside of that, you're "Smart".
It's the same for sports stars, actors, comedians and anyone else who gets to casually represent
"Black People" on a national stage.

 

[TntBdx]

Yep....A track like this

Hit me harder than any of that smartsy fartsy shyt

Straight out them cotton fields.

Niccaz call Boosie ignorant and clown on his voice, but he got that "negro spiritual" evocation in his music.


Very few rappers can capture that element.

Juve is another dude that had it IMO



When everybody was celebrating DMX barking like a dog and doing prayer skits...Praising him for "bringing the streets back"


I was like nah, that's Juvey.....That organic shyt...no polish

Yeah exactly , boosie's music is the definition of deep, every life situation he has it covered, good or bad thats why he a a legend down south, ha by juvenile is also an example of an unlyrical yet deep song

 

[The Plug]

I'd also ask, are people's definition for deep, something that hits them emotionally or something that delves deeply into a subject?

 

[John Hull]

It be those same nikkas championing bullshyt like "Nature of the Threat" as some musical masterpiece when it's really just some nikka rambling for 8 minutes spitting half-truths for the most part

Guess you just had to be there.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I forgot that this is TheColi where posters often operate in extremes.
Where in my post did you get the idea that someone needed a "PHD" to speak on a subject at least
somewhat competently ?

Joey badAss and Lupe Fiasco have both disappointed me when given a position to speak publicly.
They're great rappers, excellent in that specific skillset but they've shown themselves to be very
lacking in understanding certain topics.

I mean right now we've got a thread going where Joey said something extremely ignorant, something
someone even casually interested in these topics would guffaw at because it was just so...wrong.

Being a great rapper does not necessarily mean outside of that, you're "Smart".
It's the same for sports stars, actors, comedians and anyone else who gets to casually represent
"Black People" on a national stage.

i didn't get that from your post, i've gotten it from the collection of posts in this thread. i was pointing out talib and technique since you seem to feel they have a better mastery of topics as opposed to joey etc, posts in this thread have shytted on talib and technique as well...basically no rapper is excused from being fake deep

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'd also ask, are people's definition for deep, something that hits them emotionally or something that delves deeply into a subject?

that was part two of my OP and i've asked it multiple times in this thread. no one has defined or provided examples of "real deep"

 

[John Hull]

Fake deep is just another variation of the "lyrical miracle" slur. I question people who go out of their way to talk down on being literate and giving a fucc about the "art". Always shyttin on legends and proppin up ignorance, who are these mahfuggas?

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

many songs aint one dimensional tho...does it matter than only 4 bars are spent on the prison industrial complex if the rapper got 4 other subjects he wants to get to? even if he spend the whole 3:30 on that topic that's still not enough time for such a big topic, someone is always gonna yell "surface!!"

that's why "fake deep" shouldn't be used, it inherently limits the topics people are allowed to talk about. why is it being "fake deep" as opposed to simply discussing/mentioning a real ass problem, their feelings/thoughts on it and moving on?

It's impossible to be fake deep about a topic that directly concerns yourself. If you've been incarcerated and experienced racial profiling, false imprisonment, trumped up charges, etc. then you're addressing the prison industrial complex in a real way by addressing yourself. If you grew up without a father because he did a 15 year bid your entire childhood, talking about growing up without a father is addressing the prison industrial complex in a real way without ever having been to jail yourself.

Conversely, talking directly about the existence of the prison industrial complex and how terrible it is while having no personal stake in it can still be moving if you're addressing it in a way that's true to yourself. It becomes corny when the way you address a topic comes off as not being true to your own voice, ESPECIALLY when you try to speak for others.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Guess you just had to be there.

I didn't mean it to come out like that but it just bugs me that "Nature Of The Threat" is heralded while "The Evil That Men Do" off the same album is 10 times the song NOTT is but doesn't get the shine it should.

 

[Insensitive]

i didn't get that from your post, i've gotten it from the collection of posts in this thread. i was pointing out talib and technique since you seem to feel they have a better mastery of topics as opposed to joey etc, posts in this thread have shytted on talib and technique as well...basically no rapper is excused from being fake deep

Using one person's opinion while talking to an entirely different person
makes no sense

I don''t know why anyone would choose choose either Talib or Immortal Technique.
Both have held their own when they actually have to speak on a given topic.
So I disagree with people calling them "Fake deep".
I don't really care for Immortal Technique's conspiracy theories at times though
because I tend to disagree with that as well.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Oh okay


So you mean like when drake said

Cops are killing people with their arms up
And your main focus is tryna harm us?

On charged up that was fake deep right?

Yes thats fake deep.

Also when Big Sean said "Slave master take our name" on the hook of the intro to I decided.

As a matter of fact " I decided" is largely fake deep

 

[Kenny West]

it's hater shyt 9/10 times it's used.

Yeah, if he is making a full album on subjects then at some point I want him to dive into these topics and provide me with personal anecdotes.

I don't want an album full of 3rd person characters with no real backstories committing terrible acts so Kendrick can add a line or two of hollow commentary about said actions. Why not listen to someone whose been through that give you the real mentality?

This is ok when Nas do it tho.

Most of the first person commentary from drug dealers be straight up garbage nikkas just hype it up cuz stans

"I took the dope and hid it in the bandooooo!"
Coli nikka: Damn Lil Skippy really dissecting the street life and the true trials and tribulations of being a black man america

Jcole Neighbors is a real deep song, he took a personal experience and connected it with the theme of racism while unpacking it.

But yall would stan for some Kodack black "my momma told me to get out the skreets" ass bullshyt

I remember when some dumbasses on here was vouching for Future being socially aware for "Cops killin nikkas, tragic" off march madness....half a bar.

The lack of self esteem, worth, awareness, etc. is a huge part of the issue. I agree with you 100% on that.

My point is that if Kendrick's stance is that the lil homies need to be reeducated, it's lazy to suggest that sufficient reeducation is in that specific situation is about picking up a book. You can be a bookworm AND keep a pistol/switchblade on you every day just to feel safe walking to school if your circumstances result in that.

Reeducation for the lil homies has a lot more to do with mental health than it does with book learning.

WOW.....so because he didn't give a nuanced academic response in interview his music is fake deep? You just a hater

And yall wonder why nikkas don't even take interview questions about the shyt. No wonder rappers aim their career for the low hanging fruit, nobody asks you for academic level interview responses or nuanced descriptive first person lyrics when you're rapping about fukkin bytches or stunting. But you'll get crucified for trying to be positive with these ridiculous goalposts.

 

[Poitier]

better than any rap from kendrick or jcole about the justice system

 

[Insensitive]

that was part two of my OP and i've asked it multiple times in this thread. no one has defined or provided examples of "real deep"

Real Depth as a working definition should be knowledge gleamed from experts
in the field, first hand knowledge and/or something supported by facts/figures.

I don't wanna hear some rapper talk about the importance of learning to grow tomato's over fukking
Calculus or how "Gangsta rap makes gangsters" not socioeconomic factors that are entirely
more complex than what's popular on the radio.

THAT'S being fake deep, let's not pretend that people who don't know jack shyt abut a given topic aren't
given a platform to speak regularly because they're more lyrical than their peers.