Can we just admit the south killed hiphop? and stop being so PC?

[FS4LFE]

fukkery and the internet played a major part in its decline.

It seems like people are too invested in drama and non music related things. Like some other people have said it’s too easy for people to get on as rappers now. Random kids on social media mocking and doing stupid shyt are getting signed to record deals.

 

[Jchr is]

The South ain't kill hip hop, New York nikkas chasing the souths style killed hip hop cause yall caused nikkas to dumb it down for ringtones with yall crab ass.

 

[Brer Dog]

the nikka XXX was feeling on his momma booty.

 

[truth2you]

he dosent care about blowing up, and that’s the issue with this thread, mozzy has a great steady fan base and is eating crazy off of touring, no major machine behind him and he can drop when and what he wants to, nikkas like him are keeping hip hop alive.


he already made a name for himself from the black panther soundtrack.

Like i wrote in my earlier post hip hop is not alive, rap music is, there is a difference. And even then the money isn't static for a lot of artists, it comes, and goes.

As far as dropping when he wants, of course he can he aint signed to anyone, that doesn't mean that is smart. Plus, I looked at his numbers on spotify and they dropped from last year. It's still good, but I've seen this picture before, and if he doesn't treat his career like he wants to be a star, he won't get the money he needs to survive his lifestyle he lives now. These rappers are good at fronting, but trust me a lot aint doing as good as how they look.

A star doesn't mean on mainstream tv, it just means he is known to the point he can keep his career going for years to come. The only time you can just chill, and live is when you make a huge impact with multiple products, not just one or two songs. I want the best for him, though.

 

[Xerces]

I saw Big Boi the other night







Outkast > Any New York group

 

[Juneya]

They totally killed our genre. Its so watered down that the entry skill level is non existent. Now little Asian girls are making more money than poor black kids from the hood.

Y'all simplified production. Sampling took musical knowledge and skill. Chopping, placing, sampling drums. Chopping loops kicks, creating new shyt.

As we know rhyming takes skill and intelligence. U have to actually write a 16 that rhyme, have metaphors , on beat, flow and actually touch the listener soul.

In order to get a record deal back in the day u had to all of that plus avoid the nikkas trying to extort you and find a way to get inside a A and R personal space

The south killed our genre. NYC cats was spitting that real shyt. Hard shyt. Southern nikkas kill it and soul it for cheap. Y'all nikkas sold your people out because really you sold black culture and for that I'll never ever forgive y'all. I grow up on this shyt. I cried to this shyt, its the story of my childhood. I really love hiphop

I remember the first time I heard N.S.O.M. I was like whos that !!!!!! or the times pac made me cry in my room alone. Hiphop used to mean something

Why do you guys let idiots like this have accounts...

How does someone this ignorant to what is going on have an account and ability to make post on this site. It really ruins this site.

Your an idiot my nikka. Sincerely

 

[LoMax30]

Master P changed the game .. For the better

He showed you could start your own label independently and be successful....

That dudes didn't have to wait around for a record deal only to get fukked over by these record companies and white executives ...

He started his own shyt and got a Distrubtion deal.... Created his own buzz and took off from there. Once he had the buzz he flooded the streets and struck while the iron was hot. Basically made everyone's album a compilation album and dropped albums every other week. I'm sure they didn't feel like they were putting out trash. They were telling their stories of their city, state, region like all other rappers do...

Whether it was high quality music or not how can you not respect that?

I'm not taking anything away from P as a businessman I'm talking about the quality of the music he was putting out. Your post basically speaks to my point.

When P started to blow is when these conversations started:
"P is is wack. 'Make em say ugggggghhhhh' He moaning? What the hell is that? "
"Who cares, he's got MONEY! "

Most people who put out art don't feel their stuff is trash. It doesn't mean it's necessarily good though

 

[The Ruler 09]

And that's the excuse given when people say hip hop is dead. The problem is the people who do those things in other countries, also listen to old school rap music, or old school style. I don't hear anything innovative coming from people who still practice hip hop culture outside of the u.s.

Inthe u.s., the shyt is dead all around. It's all about the rapper. We seen this coming, were warned, but people didn't care because all they saw was the rapper, and labels went along with it. When the dj turned into the producer, at least he stayed around, but now they are shytting on producers, and rappers see no problem having ghostwriters, so there is no way you can tell me hip hop is going strong, just rap music, and the corporate version of it.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. That's not solely the case either, Hip Hop is thriving and growing in other countries and just more and more dope artists emerging. The U.K now for example had a bunch of really dope artist, that are doing shows all over on a regular. Whether you feel it's innovative or not is subjective, but even in U.S such great artists around. The music is a big part of the culture, there's an abdunace of quality artists and music being made. Of course you're entitled to your opinion but don't agree with that at all, there's a large list of artists out there that are dope and not just for commercial rap music purposes. All I know is I hear and see dope artists all the time and the culture is everywhere, there such a huge amount of dope music around, of all types. Some people just seem to not respond unless it's fed to them on mainstream media/outlets, but as Hip Hop originated as counter culture and the alternative then is still striving, you still see it in the mainstream sometimes too, even some of these mainstream artists rap well, or very well. You'll see that Hip Hop will continue to maintain, it's too huge and powerful not to. I hope more people will broaden their knowledge base and start to see and experience a lot of the great things going on.

 

[10:31]

Why do you guys let idiots like this have accounts...

How does someone this ignorant to what is going on have an account and ability to make post on this site. It really ruins this site.

Your an idiot my nikka. Sincerely

You can ignore him but censorship isn’t necessary

He’s getting his ass handed to him for his opinion

Enjoy the show

 

[truth2you]

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. That's not solely the case either, Hip Hop is thriving and growing in other countries and just more and more dope artists emerging. The U.K now for example had a bunch of really dope artist, that are doing shows all over on a regular. Whether you feel it's innovative or not is subjective, but even in U.S such great artists around. The music is a big part of the culture, there's an abdunace of quality artists and music being made. Of course you're entitled to your opinion but don't agree with that at all, there's a large list of artists out there that are dope and not just for commercial rap music purposes. All I know is I hear and see dope artists all the time and the culture is everywhere, there such a huge amount of dope music around, of all types. Some people just seem to not respond unless it's fed to them on mainstream media/outlets, but as Hip Hop originated as counter culture and the alternative then is still striving, you still see it in the mainstream sometimes too, even some of these mainstream artists rap well, or very well. You'll see that Hip Hop will continue to maintain, it's too huge and powerful not to. I hope more people will broaden their knowledge base and start to see and experience a lot of the great things going on.

Notice you keep saying the music, no dj's, no graffiti artists, no dance crews, no styles of dressing, just the MUSIC!

You are proving my point

 

[Cadillac]

:flabbyNY:
Ass nikkas in here

 

[Rice N Beans]

South gon south.

Not gonna lie though when Texas had next it wasn't too bad with Cham, Paul Wall, Flip, so on.

But ATL is really the shyt factory. They turn out weedplate after weedplate. Remember the "ya'll hating on it just because it's the south" when it really was the south was just mass producing turds at the time.

Nas the paulbearer was 100% correct. It is dead.

 

[Tflasha]

what made it bad for hip hop was the lack of respect new york artists had for one another, mainly 50cent starting beefs with all of new york. ny lost alot of respect around the nation

 

[kevm3]

Nobody's stopping the east coast from 'saving hip hop' and making 'true hip hop'.

 

[Take It In Blood]

I'd say the fans killed it if anything

the type of music that people will make is what the fans want to hear

and people wanted to hear garbage

supply and demand