Can we stop calling Doc - No One Can Do It Better a Westcoast album
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OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
The entire album was not done by the most famous Westcoast producer at that point in time. LL Cool J was also wearing Kangol, not LA Kings and LA Lakers hats. LL Cool J wasn't hanging out on the Westcoast, making westcoast music with a westcoast gangsta rap group before doing his own solo album on a westcoast label.....
The westcoast certainly did have a sound and style then, same as it was after, it was heavily funk influenced with funk samples with simple, hard hitting kicks and snares made for people who owned cars / car stereos. Music from Los Angeles musically and visually was unique. Maybe *YOU* have a problem seeing it but certainly that's not the case. Go look at the samples.
His videos are shot in Los Angeles, for fukks sakes he is rapping where the Los Angeles River would run. How much more Los Angeles do you want to get than that, really? Why are you asking everyone to stop calling it a westcoast album when DOC wanted it to be a westcoast album himself?
As for your comment about Public Enemy and NWA, you are showing yourself on this one.
-- Boyz In The Hood was written at the end of 85/start of 86, PE first records didn't come out till 87 so how could their music influence an Ice Cube in high school completely? Certainly Eazy E and MC Ren didn't sound like them.
-- fukk The Police came out in 88, 911 is a joke came out in 1990. One might argue that it wasn't all one sided there. That song also shows the difference between the two better than I could ever explain it.
--Where NWA's stance was a more nihilist approach, Public Enemy wanted to mobilize and fight for a better future. Public Enemy was more along the lines of the black panther movement, where NWA is along the lines of what happened after the government killed off the movement in California. One of the major differences between conscious rap vs gangsta rap
-- Chuck D himself doesn't claim he produced or created Cube or NWA Q&A: Chuck D of Public Enemy talks N.W.A, the Black Lives Matter movement and Bill Cosby
Did you really post up a photo of a group dressing in black pantheresque uniforms with army 'arm bands' and saying these guys stole their style exactly
I must have missed Chuck D talking about selling crack, fukking women, shooting people for stealing his car system, and all that.....in reality Chuck D got pissed when his voice was sampled for 10 crack commandments but we are supposed to think a guy who talked about being a crack dealer was bitting him verbatim.
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Back in those days, HIP HOP did not have any particular regional sound. That said, even back then the west coast were more influenced to a funk/soul of Pfunk, Issac Hayes, Curtis Mayfield and so forth with its slower tempo'd and more smooth beats over the east coast which is more uptempo, more jazzy, with a bit of James Brown sampled break beats. D.O.C. was viewed as a westcoast artist, with his debut album a westcoast influenced album due to it incorporating a more west coast influenced sound... regardless of Dre utilizing the same hip hop beats. The way it sounded is far from something like Gang Starr's debut album that came out that same year which was heavily east coast in its more uptempo'd sound.
This is why many people back in those days, confused EPMD as being from the west coast because of the use of their funk beats. And also why EPMD was easily embraced by the west coast to include NWA to which made cameos in their video "The Big Payback".
This is why many people back in those days, confused EPMD as being from the west coast because of the use of their funk beats. And also why EPMD was easily embraced by the west coast to include NWA to which made cameos in their video "The Big Payback".
@OnlyInCalifornia
I'm not just making these things up like I said Ice Cube and Dr Dre admitted to being Public Enemy stans in mad interviews
Here's a Ice Cube interview on Howard stern talking bout the influence Public Enemy/Bomb Squad production had on Dr Dre
24:40 mark
Ice Cube on The Howard Stern Show-April 2016
Ice Cube was even rocking a Flavor Flav clock in old pics lol
Classic joint from PE's first album talkin bout drug dealers and crackheads
Rare audio of Eazy E rapping over Public Enemy's Megablast
I thought it was well known that Nwa was the sons of Ice T and Public Enemy
But back to Doc... who he hung out with, who was in his video or his image got nothing to do with my thread title
No One Can Do It Better is not a Westcoast album
I'm not just making these things up like I said Ice Cube and Dr Dre admitted to being Public Enemy stans in mad interviews
Here's a Ice Cube interview on Howard stern talking bout the influence Public Enemy/Bomb Squad production had on Dr Dre
24:40 mark
Ice Cube on The Howard Stern Show-April 2016
Ice Cube was even rocking a Flavor Flav clock in old pics lol
Classic joint from PE's first album talkin bout drug dealers and crackheads
Rare audio of Eazy E rapping over Public Enemy's Megablast
I thought it was well known that Nwa was the sons of Ice T and Public Enemy
But back to Doc... who he hung out with, who was in his video or his image got nothing to do with my thread title
No One Can Do It Better is not a Westcoast album
Young/Nacho\Drawz
...come on let's picture the possibility...
My sister went back to new Orleans from Texas in '90, they was calling her Cali girl in school when she got there. Back in the day Dallas was like Cali. From the gangbangin', to the music to the dress code. The dikkie's headquarters are located in Forth Worth for example. I remember when born and raised in compton dropped, number one that was a huge song that the city embraced, number two that was the first time i ever seen someone in the streets rockin' a compton hat.The production on the first album is entirely westcoast done by a westcoast producer.
The image he was trying to portray on the cover was westcoast. In his videos, he is trying to portray himself as westcoast. He is wearing Kings gear on his cover, Lakers gear in his videos, rolling around in low riders.
All the guest apperances were westcoast artists.
It came out on a westcoast label.
This is like saying 'Stop calling Dj Premier an eastcoast producer because he went to school in Texas' his sound is still very much eastcoast
My point is we was definitly influenced but to go as far as to say its str8 west coast based off of that influence is a stretch. If I were to turn the table on you and show all of the d.o.c. contributions to the west coast from writing for eazy and nwa going all the way back to '88, or his influence on snoop or him being a co-founder of DR and attributing it to Dallas, wouldn't you feel some type of way?
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
You just said you guys influenced by the westcoast but are upset because I pointed out that No one Can Do It Better is entirely produced by Westcoast producer Dr Dre, using heavy funk samples as a precursor to g-funk, his first groups album came out on an NWA compilation, all his videos were shot in LA, he is wearing all LA gear, with LA rappers.....
I really don't care that he helped write for Eazy E nor was he a co founded of Deathrow (son he didn't even really get paid of the chronic, suge fukked him good) because he was still making westcoast music with a westcoast style and westcoast image. Whether it was through Eazy E's mouth or through his own ...
Now aside from the fact every beat was westocast sounding, from a westcoast producer, and every single guest apperance was from a westcoast artist via a westcoast label. Why doesn't he have a Dallas Stars hat on? Dallas Cowboys? His name wasn't even 'The DOC' until he moved to Los Angeles.
Why is his cover standing in front of a church in Los Angeles on Melrose?? There are not Catholic Churches in Dallas?
You guys have Geto Boys, the whole Rap A Lot movement that is uniquely yours. The Doc aint that one breh, sorry.
Palm Tree's & Blunts
Big timah timah
The doc doesn't even acknowledge Texas. Lol I never heard him mention or even give a shout out to anything Texas related. He always was a west coast guy imo.
Pinyapplesuckas
He's A Good Man
that shyt would be absolutely terrifying...i damn near have nightmares about that Helter Skelter album
Young/Nacho\Drawz
...come on let's picture the possibility...
The connection to RAL and DR is Harry-O who was locked up with Freeway Rick who was suppose to be apart of DR. Rick is from Texas.
Here is more info showing the Texas/Cali connection:
Here is Virgil talking about becoming president of Solar Records (Sound.Of.LA.Records)
He's originally from Texas.
In part two he talks about Suge coming to him on behalf of his boy who wrote for Vanilla Ice. His boy is from Texas.
Clearly Texas and Cali have alot in common musically and street wise. So much so that you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two. Op, have you ever been to Texas?
Here is more info showing the Texas/Cali connection:
Here is Virgil talking about becoming president of Solar Records (Sound.Of.LA.Records)
He's originally from Texas.
In part two he talks about Suge coming to him on behalf of his boy who wrote for Vanilla Ice. His boy is from Texas.
Clearly Texas and Cali have alot in common musically and street wise. So much so that you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two. Op, have you ever been to Texas?
When did PE come out? That pic is from '86.
It's in his name bro D.allas O.ak C.liff and since Fila Fresh he's always repped DFW
Derekjackson2
Banned
Who calls it a west coast album? Never heard that one.
