Capitalism really is just a ruse to make a handful of people wealthy. The average person is never going to make it.

[Mister Terrific]

“Black people civilized the world”

Goyim: “You’re a white supremacist !!!”

No one race civilized the world bozo. That’s not how human history works.

All you are doing is taking White supremacist view points of humanity that power is absolute and the supreme race will dominate the weaker races and flipping on its head and turning the conquerors into Black people. You are literally a race supremacist who would be zieg heiling and drawing swastikas if you were born Peter in Montana.

The only difference between them and you besides skin color is that they can point to actual recent historical evidence of European domination while you play make believe with as much archeological evidence as Lord of the Rings or Star Wars.

You’re so fixated on cacs that you can’t even fathom black people being conquerors of other people once upon a time?

Besides the fact there were great African conquerors in Africa and the Middle East and some parts of India being a conqueror and subjugating millions under tyranny is not necessarily a good thing. You think like a basement dwelling white boy who says Hitler was “based”.

Inflation created by a private entity that controls the whole country’s money supply and can print at will (while lending it to the country at interest) is why things are becoming more expensive. I wonder why y’all ignore that issue being non partisan?

Bozo

Of course the “United States defines itself as a corporation” goes over your head

Show where the US defines itself as a corporation.

And I’ve already defined the simplest form of capitalism for you. Somebody walking outside their house, growing crops and taking it to the market is capitalism.

Ok bozo, who owns the market? Who leases the land from which the market is located? Who sets the price exchanges at the market? Who police’s the market to make sure patrons are operating in good faith? Who pays for the army protecting the market from the next village over who will just come and kill you and take your surplus crops for free? Do I have to pay taxes to this army? Who presided over the army to make sure they don’t just steal my surplus? My crops make a lot more money than my neighbors crops, why don’t I just sell my crops for a lower price and undercut him on the market and then by his land when he goes insolvent? Hell I don’t even want to work my land anymore, I’ll just have my neighbor do it for a nominal wage. Hell why pay a wage at all I’ll just hire some thugs to make him work my land for free.


You see where I’m going with this bozo?

 

[frush11]

You can make six figures driving a bus, breh

I'm not talking bout me. I'm just saying what it is.

What you're born into pretty much will determine your life.

 

[Everythingg]

No one race civilized the world bozo.

Hey goyim, the First people on earth were black.

All you are doing is taking White supremacist view points of humanity that power is absolute and the supreme race will dominate the weaker races and flipping on its head and turning the conquerors into Black people. You are literally a race supremacist who would be zieg heiling and drawing swastikas if you were born Peter in Montana.

The only difference between them and you besides skin color is that they can point to actual recent historical evidence of European domination while you play make believe with as much archeological evidence as Lord of the Rings or Star Wars.

Goyim babble

Like I said if you want to discuss those topics bump the thread. Bringing that into this thread is deflecting

Besides the fact there were great African conquerors in Africa and the Middle East and some parts of India being a conqueror and subjugating millions under tyranny is not necessarily a good thing. You think like a basement dwelling white boy who says Hitler was “based”.

All that babble is besides the point that war is a part of humanity. It’s never going away as long as humans are in charge of other humans. Instead of pushing for idealistic ideologies, try living in reality. When one group conquers the other the conqueror’s life becomes easier.

Bozo

Explain what this is showing

Show where the US defines itself as a corporation.

28 USC 3002

Ok bozo, who owns the market? Who leases the land from which the market is located? Who sets the price exchanges at the market? Who police’s the market to make sure patrons are operating in good faith? Who pays for the army protecting the market from the next village over who will just come and kill you and take your surplus crops for free? Do I have to pay taxes to this army? Who presided over the army to make sure they don’t just steal my surplus? My crops make a lot more money than my neighbors crops, why don’t I just sell my crops for a lower price and undercut him on the market and then by his land when he goes insolvent? Hell I don’t even want to work my land anymore, I’ll just have my neighbor do it for a nominal wage. Hell why pay a wage at all I’ll just hire some thugs to make him work my land for free.

These are problems with any economic system you choose. You’ll always have to have some enforcing. You’ll always have to someone defending. You’ll always have to make room for human nature which is always unpredictable. All that is besides the point that the trading of one’s own goods/services is capitalism since capitalism is the economic system where trade/industry is controlled by private owners.

You see where I’m going with this bozo?

Absolutely. Just like your future, you’re going nowhere with this.

You’ll never find a perfect system. You’ll never find a system that can eliminate the negative aspects of human nature either.

 

[ISO]

Has anyone given a definition for “making it” or proposed a different economic system yet?

 

[ISO]

I'm not talking bout me. I'm just saying what it is.

What you're born into pretty much will determine your life.

That has nothing to do with capitalism though.

That’s life. There isn’t an economic system out there where lower class individuals have risen more than capitalism.

And it really is that easy you can go drive a truck and make 6 figures.

 

[frush11]

That has nothing to do with capitalism though.

That’s life. There isn’t an economic system out there where lower class individuals have risen more than capitalism.

And it really is that easy you can go drive a truck and make 6 figures.

Cause we've never tried anything else. Cause why would we, if it's not a system that only benefits the halves.

What keeps capitalism going is the illusion that you typed.

There's always be levels off people economically and all that shiiit. But this shiit is extra wicked. The majority off this world doesn't have to live like absolute shiit.

Capitalism is the reason why we have liquors stores all over in every fukked up hood, it's the reason why poison is pumped into our kids, nieces and nephews everyday. Capitalism is reason why this country invest more in prisons then schools for poorer communities. Capitalism is the reason why they economically terrorize certain groups of folks, nations, so they can have cheap labor. Capitalism is the main reason why we have racism/bigotry. Capitalism is the reason why we private prison(wickedest shiit ever), and crime will never stop, and non 15 percent, are just basic cannon fodder

But it's OK, a few folks get to benefit

 

[Blackrogue]

 

[ISO]

Cause we've never tried anything else. Cause why would we, if it's not a system that only benefits the halves.

What keeps capitalism going is the illusion that you typed.

There's always be levels off people economically and all that shiiit. But this shiit is extra wicked. The majority off this world doesn't have to live like absolute shiit.

Capitalism is the reason why we have liquors in every fukked up hood, it's the reason why poison is pumped into our kids, nieces and nephews everyday. Capitalism is reason why this country invest more in prisons then schools for poorer communities. Capitalism is the reason why they economically terrorize certain groups of folks, nations, so they can have cheap labor. Capitalism is the main reason why we have racism/bigotry. Capitalism is the reason why we private prison(wickedest shiit ever), and crime will never stop, and non 15 percent, are just basic cannot fodder

But it's OK, a few folks get to benefit

Capitalism is not the reason for any of that.

Humans have lived under different economic systems it was worse by a wide margin. Throughout human history most humans have lived in absolute shyt. The worse areas in America don’t compare to the living standard of most humans in different economic and political systems hundreds and thousands of years back.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Hey goyim, the First people on earth were black.

Every variation of the human race today descended from the same region in Africa. But we both know what you mean by civilized is Black Hapsburgs building the Boston post office don’t we bozo?

Goyim babble

Like I said if you want to discuss those topics bump the thread. Bringing that into this thread is deflecting

All that babble is besides the point that war is a part of humanity. It’s never going away as long as humans are in charge of other humans. Instead of pushing for idealistic ideologies, try living in reality. When one group conquers the other the conqueror’s life becomes easier.

Yes and conquest is not something to base your economic model on beside as Ancient Rome and Nazi Germany showed us you eventually run out of things to conquer or you come up against someone who can’t be defeated. Also, the fact that weapons are becoming so devastating that waging war doesn’t benefit anyone.

It’s best we try to evolve past such primitive instincts before it’s too late bozo.

Explain what this is showing

Inflation was higher in the past than it was today yet cost of living is the highest it’s ever been. Explain bozo.

28 USC 3002

Bozo

Fact check: False claim legal statute defines US as a private company

The statute defines what the term “United States” refers to when it is used in one specific section of the law on federal debt collection procedures.

www.usatoday.com

These are problems with any economic system you choose. You’ll always have to have some enforcing. You’ll always have to someone defending. You’ll always have to make room for human nature which is always unpredictable. All that is besides the point that the trading of one’s own goods/services is capitalism since capitalism is the economic system where trade/industry is controlled by private owners.

Anything can be reduced to the basic buying and selling of commodities bozo. The fact is capitalism has natural contradictions that render it too destructive for long term sustainability.

Absolutely. Just like your future, you’re going nowhere with this.

You’ll never find a perfect system. You’ll never find a system that can eliminate the negative aspects of human nature either.

Primitive thinking. We are already seeing successful application of socialist theory in much of Europe and as technology increases where we can better manage and allocate resources. Sophisticated AI for instance we render the need for markets mute where you can mathematically calculate the price and availability of goods.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

One more time. Who is going to enforce distribution? Life isn’t idealistic where everyone is going to agree to share. Who’s the enforcer in your idealistic (but not realistic) viewpoint?

If you have negative interest rates you don't need to enforce distribution any more than any other system, it happens naturally. The fact that you falsely assumed "socialism" means disproportionate central control, and the fact that you don't even know the impact of negative interest rates, proves you have a lot more self-education to do before you can even participate in this thread.

In modern capitalism, money naturally accumulates to the rich due to the rules of the system. In the form of libertarian socialism I described, money naturally distributes out according to the rules of the system. You really need to read a book on this subject that wasn't written by a right-winger.

You do lack nuance which is why anyone who is not for the Democratic Party becomes an enemy right winger. You’re not someone on the side of black people, you’re on the side of a political party…

I'm not for the democratic party, dumbass, so which one of us lacks nuance now? I use these exact same arguments against neoliberals and establishment Democrats.

You don't even have enough education to know what nuance would be on this subject. You thought libertarian socialism was based on inordinate central control just because the word "socialism" was in it. You even said, "Got you!" despite not knowing what the phrase meant.

The fact you think me believing in a man being able to profit off his own property with the eventual ability to pass down to his descendants makes me “republican” is the perfect example of not having nuance.

Point to where I said that? And I'm the one who lacks nuance?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Show where the US defines itself as a corporation.

?28 USC 3002

That law refers to federal corporations. A "federal corporation" is a corporation established by the United States, like the USPS or the FDIC. It's not the entire government.

Federal Government Corporations: An Overview

To assist Congress in its oversight activities, this report provides an overview of the government corporation as an administrative...

www.everycrsreport.com

How the fukk did you go from "the United States has established corporations under its authority" to "the United States is a corporation"? If you can't read you shouldn't act so arrogant.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Has anyone given a definition for “making it” or proposed a different economic system yet?

Yes, I described some key points of a plan of libertarian socialism that would be one of the few ways humanity could continue itself without disaster over the next century. As expected, every "capitalist" here ignored it.


* Eliminate loans-at-interest as the money system. It just ensures that the rich get richer off the backs of those in need, while the planet is destroyed by the unending growth necessary to pay off interest.

* Replace it with a money system based on the production/protection of some objective national good. Similar to the gold standard, but instead of exchanging money for the mining of gold (which is arbitrary and destructive), exchange it for, say, the acreage of forests restored or Superfund sites cleaned up.

* Ensure every employee has shared ownership of the fruits of their labor

* Institute UBI

* Institute negative interest rates

That has nothing to do with capitalism though.

That’s life. There isn’t an economic system out there where lower class individuals have risen more than capitalism.

Cuba raised its lower class far more than the "capitalist" nations around it, despite severe disadvantages due to economic embargoes. But in most cases, there wasn't even a chance for a system other than capitalism to work unimpeded. From Africa to Latin America to Southeast Asia, the United States and its allies used coups, terrorists, and bombing campaigns to do everything possible to destroy every nation that tried anything other than modern capitalism. Even the tamest socialist systems (such as Ghana or Nicaragua or Chile or Cambodia) were subjected to intense campaigns of destruction spearheaded by the most powerful country on Earth.

As I pointed out before, in 1948 the US government knew that it controlled 50% of the wealth on Earth despite just 6% of the population, and that maintaining such a position was impossible in any fair world. Therefore they EXPLICITLY set out to use every political, military, and economic means they could to maintain their advantage.



Now, my question for you - if the only way that capitalism can "raise the lower class" is via infinite growth and total resource exploitation, what the fukk happens when we run out of space and resources, as we're already watching visibly happen?

 

[TRUEST]

If this sh1t was taught in schools it would at the very least cause black folks to skyrocket ahead of any predictions. If your teachers told you to save because the sooner you have enough the earlier your retirement can be, things would be different

 

[Pressure]

Guys in here acting like Marxist style governments haven’t consistently led to mass poverty, large wage disparities, and an elite ruling class always crack me up.

 

[Everythingg]

Every variation of the human race today descended from the same region in Africa.

Black people were the first people on earth. True or false?

If black people were on earth then the first people to migrate were also black. True or false?

Yes and conquest is not something to base your economic model on beside as Ancient Rome and Nazi Germany showed us you eventually run out of things to conquer or you come up against someone who can’t be defeated. Also, the fact that weapons are becoming so devastating that waging war doesn’t benefit anyone.

“War doesn’t benefit anyone”

Was is a racket. When Bush pushed for War in Iraq, the company dikk Cheney used to work for benefitted the most. And if I’m not mistaken, after his term he went back to working for them. Then there’s this:

Debt only decreases after war and will never go away since the money is printed, while being backed by nothing, and loaned to the country at interest. That’s one. And after world war 2, the US’s economy was good enough for one man to take care of his family comfortably, which looking at history in totality, was always the case…

It’s best we try to evolve past such primitive instincts before it’s too late bozo.

Idealistic babble. Live in reality. War is going nowhere .Racism/tribalism is going nowhere.

Inflation was higher in the past than it was today yet cost of living is the highest it’s ever been. Explain bozo.

And what entity influences the inflation rate?

http://[URL]https://www.usatoday.co...ute-doesnt-say-us-private-company/11429110002

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I said the US defines itself as a corporation. Is that true or false? Don’t add onto what I said and pretend as if you’re making a point

Anything can be reduced to the basic buying and selling of commodities bozo. The fact is capitalism has natural contradictions that render it too destructive for long term sustainability.

Capitalism definition: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

Nope. Only capitalism can be reduced to basic buying and selling since there’s private property with no one forcibly redistributing wealth. That’s not the case with socialism

Primitive thinking. We are already seeing successful application of socialist theory in much of Europe and as technology increases where we can better manage and allocate resources. Sophisticated AI for instance we render the need for markets mute where you can mathematically calculate the price and availability of goods.

China is a socialist country and look how well that’s turning out for their citizens.