Capitalism really is just a ruse to make a handful of people wealthy. The average person is never going to make it.

[Everythingg]

If you have negative interest rates you don't need to enforce distribution any more than any other system, it happens naturally. The fact that you falsely assumed "socialism" means disproportionate central control, and the fact that you don't even know the impact of negative interest rates, proves you have a lot more self-education to do before you can even participate in this thread.

In modern capitalism, money naturally accumulates to the rich due to the rules of the system. In the form of libertarian socialism I described, money naturally distributes out according to the rules of the system. You really need to read a book on this subject that wasn't written by a right-winger.

Who exactly is going to enforce “negative interest rates” and how does your idealistic but not realistic system protect from negative human traits such as greed?

(Hint: IT DOESNT)

I'm not for the democratic party, dumbass, so which one of us lacks nuance now? I use these exact same arguments against neoliberals and establishment Democrats.

If you used these same arguments against democrats then you wouldn’t have jumped on the “you’re a republican for saying this” train. Cut the cap…

You don't even have enough education to know what nuance would be on this subject. You thought libertarian socialism was based on inordinate central control just because the word "socialism" was in it. You even said, "Got you!" despite not knowing what the phrase meant.

When you mention socialism then you need someone to enforce it. Who is enforcing it?

Point to where I said that? And I'm the one who lacks nuance?

That law refers to federal corporations.

(15)“United States” means—
(A)
a Federal corporation

 

[null]

almighty dollar !!!

 

[null]

good thread

 

[bright black]

most Americans want to hit the powerball and to me that is a sign most people dont want to deal with this capitalism bullshyt and just go along with it.

 

[JLova]

Y’all wouldn’t make it in Canada then. US is the best place to be successful. Just don’t be an idiot and you’ll be fine.

Canada you can’t buy a house as a single person. Need to be a high earning couple. Condo in Canada is more expensive than a house in most US cities. You are taxed 2-3 times on the same shyt. Don’t come here.

 

[RageKage]

Only way to win is not to play

Income inequality is a recipe for disaster in this country, The rise of Trump and his TrumPanzees is directly related to that but they are too stupid and racists to see that. The people they are supporting are literally robbing them to give money to billionaires either directly through fundraising the grift or tax policies against there interests.


The only solution I see is to start electing people who will enact legislation to level the playing the field. Period.

 

[ISO]

most Americans want to hit the powerball and to me that is a sign most people dont want to deal with this capitalism bullshyt and just go along with it.

That tells me the opposite they want to be like the capitalists they claim to despise.

I mean why does any person need $1.6B am I right?

 

[bright black]

That tells me the opposite they want to be like the capitalists they claim to despise.

I mean why does any person need $1.6B am I right?

If people could get the stuff they wanted and needed without money they would.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who exactly is going to enforce “negative interest rates”

The same people who set the interest rates in every economy. Are you seriously ignorant about how interest rates are set?

and how does your idealistic but not realistic system protect from negative human traits such as greed?

It's difficult to have a conversation with someone who hasn't even bothered to educate themselves on the very basics of what they're trying to argue about.

Greed is a negative human trait, yes. But not everyone is greedy all the time. The problem is, capitalism directly incentivizes greed. It convinces people that they have to be greedy even when they don't want to be, it makes them greedy in situations where greed is unnatural, it penalizes anyone who refuses to be greedy even some of the time.

Negative-interest economics, on the other hand, automatically penalizes greed and incentivizes distribution. It's not some unnatural forcing of people, it's just a basic economic choice of whether you will set your interest rates to incentivize human sin or human goodness.

Don't ask me follow-up questions until you've educated yourself. Here's a quick chapter on how capitalism unnaturally incentivizes greed:

Sacred Economics: Chapter 6, "The Economics of Usury" - Sacred Economics | Charles Eisenstein

The following chapter is from Sacred Economics: Money, Gift, and Society in the Age of Transition, available from EVOLVER EDITIONS/North Atlantic Books. Return to the Sacred Economics content page here. In spite of the holy promises of people to banish war once and for all,

sacred-economics.com

And here's one on how negative-interest economics works:

Sacred Economics: Chapter 12, Negative-Interest Economics - Sacred Economics | Charles Eisenstein

The following chapter is from Sacred Economics: Money, Gift, and Society in the Age of Transition, available from EVOLVER EDITIONS/North Atlantic Books. Return to the Sacred Economics content page here. Debt can endure forever; wealth cannot, because its physical dimension is subject to the...

sacred-economics.com

When you mention socialism then you need someone to enforce it. Who is enforcing it?

You do realize that you're just demonstrating your ignorance over....and over....and over again.

You've already admitted that you have zero idea what Libertarian Socialism is. You hadn't even remembered what the term meant and you certainly haven't studied it. So maybe read a book or two and then get back to me?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

(15)“United States” means—
(A)
a Federal corporation

Breh, it would have been quicker to say, "I have no reading comprehension" than to keep burying yourself like this.


That code is about who owes money to the United States which can then be collected via federal debt collection procedures. The question is "who counts as owing money to the United States?", and in the context of THAT QUESTION, they define owing money to the USA as including:

United States​

(15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.

What they are saying is that if you owe money to any instrumentality of the United States, any agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States, or any federal corporation, then you are defined as owing the USA money.

This is an incredibly embarrassing reading comprehension error. Is this really the level of understanding you have here?

 

[feelosofer]

In America if you're not rich you are just a few missed paychecks or a catastrophe away from being homeless.

 

[Lexington Steele]

This is an incredibly embarrassing reading comprehension error. Is this really the level of understanding you have here?

Do the conspiracy guys think they're actually going to get one over on a judge with this shyt?

"Your honor, the gold fringe on the flag in this courtroom means we're under maritime law and I am a free man traveling on the land, the USA is a corporation and I do not engender or bequeath unto it my sovereign citizenship!"

Do they believe the judge is gonna go "Yeah, you figured it all out, I'm ripping up this traffic ticket, you're free to go and also here's your crown, you are now the King of America and can do whatever you want."?

 

[EndDomination]

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Everythingg]

The same people who set the interest rates in every economy. Are you seriously ignorant about how interest rates are set?

Be specific. Then after you specify, explain why you believe whoever you specify will do the right thing by everyone (which is a laughable belief)

It's difficult to have a conversation with someone who hasn't even bothered to educate themselves on the very basics of what they're trying to argue about.

Greed is a negative human trait, yes. But not everyone is greedy all the time. The problem is, capitalism directly incentivizes greed. It convinces people that they have to be greedy even when they don't want to be, it makes them greedy in situations where greed is unnatural, it penalizes anyone who refuses to be greedy even some of the time.
Negative-interest economics, on the other hand, automatically penalizes greed and incentivizes distribution. It's not some unnatural forcing of people, it's just a basic economic choice of whether you will set your interest rates to incentivize human sin or human goodness.

The problem is that you idealistically believe that the people who would be in charge of instituting this system, the same ones that control inflation/interest rates, would act in good faith with this new system. (HINT: They wouldn’t).

shyt flows down hill. So if the people are greedy at the top (they are) then that will, in general, trickle down to the rest of the masses. The basics of capitalism allows each man to make his own way. There are kids that are turning on their PS5 and camera and making tens of thousands of dollars a month on YouTube/twitch. There’s brothers that went to trade school, learned under a master plumber/electrician/HVAC technician for 4 years then opened their own business and are providing for their family. While your socialist system places trust in a circle of people to do right by everyone else. I’ll always go with the former over the latter

You can’t just snap your fingers and say “negative interest rates”. Someone has to put that into motion and afterwards be trusted. And if you can’t tell, over time, humans in power aren’t to be trusted

What they are saying is

What it says is that United States means federal corporation OR an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States. Feel free to define the “federal corporation“ that doesn’t apply to “an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States” then after that we could get into the act of 1871

 

[Everythingg]

Do the conspiracy guys think they're actually going to get one over on a judge with this shyt?

The judges are the ones getting over on you