Charles Barkley gives his two cents on the state of the game during halftime of Warriors/Mavs

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People constantly hammer this point home...but the league still averages nearly 37% from three on a ridiculous amount of attempts, which is GOOD. Just because they don't have Steph or Klay doesn't mean they're not at least shooting decently from out there. The league is shooting nearly twice the amount of attempts it averaged in 2011 (35 vs. 18.6) on BETTER percentages (36.8 vs. 35.8)

25 out of 30 teams shoot at least 35% from three. That means it's working.

People bring up that point as if there's a bevy of teams shooting sub-30% from 3 or something. It's a weird strawman.
We not talking about the averge

Its the attempts per game..3s after 3s
 

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bu bu bu the game is has evolved look at the spreadsheets the three ball is more efficient. There has never been this amount of talent, watch how they chuck threes endlessly and give minimal effort on defense.


:damn:

It’s not that there’s minimal defense it’s that it’s impossible to play defense. If an action on one side of the court takes ten seconds how can you play defense ?

the refs call so many fouls that force more space which leads to more scoring.

The problem is they have no way to bring it back. In NASCAR as cars were becoming faster and faster NASCAR adopted a restrictor plate to make the cars not as fast.
 

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This is one of them times when the old heads don't even sound like old heads with their complaining about this stuff, they're right. I'm so much of a basketball dude I'd watch the WNBA if the NBA wasn't on...but this shyt is hard to watch today. That style of play even gets corny on 2k after while, lol
 

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But analytics tho
Same ones who cry about all these threes complain when Ben Simmons doesn’t shoot them :yeshrug:

these teams get paid to win, not to be exciting. I ain’t seen a coach get an extension for being a cool League Pass team. Everyone wants to win, and it’s really hard to win when you have to overcome a 30 point deficit from an aspect on the court (in this case, the 3pt line)
 

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Same ones who cry about all these threes complain when Ben Simmons doesn’t shoot them :yeshrug:

these teams get paid to win, not to be exciting. I ain’t seen a coach get an extension for being a cool League Pass team. Everyone wants to win, and it’s really hard to win when you have to overcome a 30 point deficit from an aspect on the court (in this case, the 3pt line)

My only issue with analytics is how extreme decisions are guided by them...one philosophy at that when it comes to three pointers. Yes, it’s is very hard to overcome a 30 point deficit if you not shooting threes. But teams not facing 30 point deficits every night.

Ben needs to shoot more because the threat will open up the spacing. He doesn’t need start shooting 7 a game. It’s a balance that can be achieved. Anyone who thinks he needs to take several a game is tripping.

It’s like they tried to force an evolution of a game instead of letting it evolve naturally, and this is what we currently have. This style of an insane amount of threes simply doesn’t work for most teams. But teams feel as if they have to do this to compete. There is not much distinction in styles when everything leads back to take a bunch of threes. And the different styles is a big part of what makes the league intriguing
 

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My only issue with analytics is how extreme decisions are guided by them...one philosophy at that when it comes to three pointers. Yes, it’s is very hard to overcome a 30 point deficit if you not shooting threes. But teams not facing 30 point deficits every night.

Ben needs to shoot more because the threat will open up the spacing. He doesn’t need start shooting 7 a game. It’s a balance that can be achieved. Anyone who thinks he needs to take several a game is tripping.

It’s like they tried to force an evolution of a game instead of letting it evolve naturally, and this is what we currently have. This style of an insane amount of threes simply doesn’t work for most teams. But teams feel as if they have to do this to compete. There is not much distinction in styles when everything leads back to take a bunch of threes. And the different styles is a big part of what makes the league intriguing
I can’t remember how many games I’ve seen where a team at one point or another led by as much as 20 yet the game was in reach. Growing up, if you were down 10+, that was a blowout you couldn’t dig out of. Now you can be down 15 and depending on your momentum, you’re within striking distance.

Philly has 4 shooters on the court all the time. Spacing in theory shouldn’t be a problem. Ben just keeps them from fully playing five out... like everyone else wants to.

This sort of problem isn’t limited to basketball. This is a sports problem, and it’s driven by the same thing: it’s hard to play the old way and win. Basketball just has it the worst because at least in football /baseball there are constants that you can’t avoid even if your playing style switches up.
 

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I can’t remember how many games I’ve seen where a team at one point or another led by as much as 20 yet the game was in reach. Growing up, if you were down 10+, that was a blowout you couldn’t dig out of. Now you can be down 15 and depending on your momentum, you’re within striking distance.

Philly has 4 shooters on the court all the time. Spacing in theory shouldn’t be a problem. Ben just keeps them from fully playing five out... like everyone else wants to.

This sort of problem isn’t limited to basketball. This is a sports problem, and it’s driven by the same thing: it’s hard to play the old way and win. Basketball just has it the worst because at least in football /baseball there are constants that you can’t avoid even if your playing style switches up.

That’s a good way to put it, cause it is hard to win playing to old style in most sports. With football, you can’t be a run first offense these days so that’s a good comparison. But a difference between NFL and NBA is that the NFL more leveled out with the evolution because they consider personnel much more than NBA does. If an NFL team has a QB that can’t throw, they are gonna limit his attempts as much as possible and keep the offense simple as far as risk. And that team can still be successful. But what’s going on in the NBA, damn near the whole league shooting a lot of threes regardless of the personnel.
 

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Muthafukkas had the nerve to say the Spurs were boring fukking clowns.

Interesting huh. Despite the beautiful ball movement the Spurs used to display, there was still a loud and proud contingent of people who shytted on them and called it boring. Sounds to me like regardless of how NBA teams play there’s always gonna be a segment of people that are unhappy :patrice:
 

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A league where a certified midget damn near averaged 30 a game. :mjlol:



Defense? I mean defense only works when you actually play one.:mjlol:

So fukking dumb when it comes to league history. Reminds me of when you said there was no Curry in the 1990s. In the middle of MJ's prime a frail "midget" who was 25lbs SMALLER than IT scored just as much one year despite having one of the wackest jump shots I've ever seen.

So by your criteria, they didn't play defense in MJ's era either.


Also love the fact that people are talking about the 2014/2015 Spurs with nostalgia as if it's some past age but IT's 2016-17 season just a year and change later is the go-to for shytting on the current era. :mjlol:
 
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