Charles Barkley - "The NBA is the worst it's ever been"

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the east by far has been terrible the last 8 years or so... but the problem is

ownership, management, coaching and player development is the reason for a lot of teams to play like shyt
 

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So the only thing that defines an era is how many times a particular player gets knocked out before the Finals? And Lebron got pushed to 6 or 7 in a series before the Finals every year but 2011, and even that year Boston and Chicago both were real series.

Bill Russell, Jerry West, Magic, and Jordan all had stretches were they rep'd their conference about as often as Lebron has now.






Keep going back.

Celtics went 12 out of 13 years in the 50s/60s. Faced the Lakers 7 years out of 8, Hawks 3 out of 4, and Warriors the other two. Lakers had three straight trips again right after that too.

George Milan Lakers won 5 out of 6 years in the 40s/50s.





Starks as a star? 35-year-old Stockton? Going to the Finals with Barkley and KJ as your big two?

1990s had parity because it was the expansion era and teams were diluted as hell. Most contenders were a superstar, a sidekick, and a couple strong role players. Some of those teams had starters who'd have trouble making a roster today. How did Terry Teagle get a Finals start for the 1991 Lakers? Who filled out the frontcourt with Barkley on the 1993 Suns? Who started at center for the 1996 Sonics? How were the Bulls/Jazz in the 1998 Finals when their starting guards were a combined 135 years old?




Because he was a lazy player who feasted on being naturally athletic and either exploding past weak competition or doing a 10-15 second backdown into the post. . He was 1993 athletic, but that's nothing in 2016. You don't see 6'6" guys in the league today with the muscle definition of Samoa Joe. And his skill set was great for a forward of his time, but forwards like like Lebron/Anthony Davis/Durant/Giannis/Kawhi show so much more skill today. What of Barkley's skill set is 2016 elite? Plus he didn't try on defense whatsoever and never developed a shot.





Not an era that actually required you to develop your game.


"According to Williams, Allen Iverson wasn’t the only Sixer who hated practice, because Barkley was the laziest teammate he ever had.

He was always late to practice, and even came in eating McDonalds on numerous occasions. He would ride an exercise bike while watching teammates practice, screaming profanities at them.

Williams says he saw Barkley practice three times in the two years he played in Philadelphia."

No one's denying he wasn't lazy. He was also one of the most physically gifted players ever.
 

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But Charles Barkely is talking about competition from 1 to 8 in each conference. At least we know Lakers and Celtics earned their spot in the Finals at those times
Forgot this post. While the Celtrics actually did have some tough paths to the finals, the Lakers sleepwalked to the finals every year, aside from those two fluke losses to the Rockets. In 87 they were up against a sub-.500 Sonics team IN THE CONFERENCE FINALS :scust: . Every year they'd lose 2 games at most in the first 3 rounds.The West was complete ass until the late 80s. Not one Western team provided them an actual challenge in their finals runs until the Jazz in '88.
 

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Same thing I'm thinking. it's going to be a sleep walk for both the Warriors and the cavs for time to come because regardless of how Houston/San Antonio/Toronto/Atlanta/Los Angeles clippers play, they are not making it out of their respective conferences. I think that's what chuck is trying to say. Yea you had Jordan back then but different teams came out the west. Now it's like you know who is going from both conferences. That's was the turning point when Kevin Durant joined the Warriors. We know Lebron was coming out the east but KD assures the Warriors baring injury trade or free agency move, will come out the west. It's the 80s again but the celtics and lakers never saw each other 3 times in a row. There were always teams in between. I don't think Lebron loses hold on the east anytime soon and again, baring injury trade or free agency move, the Warriors will have a hold on the west. The new Cba is also trying to keep new super teams from forming to challenge these two as well.
1980: Lakers/Sixers
'81: Celtics/Rockets
'82: Lakers/Sixers
'83: Lakers/Sixers
'84: Lakers/Celtics
'85: Lakers/Celtics
'86: Celtics/Rockets
'87: Lakers/Celtics
'88: Lakers/Pistons
'89: Lakers/Pistons

That's hella repetitive. Only five teams made it to the finals in the 80s.
 

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the east by far has been terrible the last 8 years or so...

East has 4 of the last 9 titles.

Some years (2009 and 2011 for certain) there's been three legit title contenders in the East.

Take out San Antonio, and the overall talent level among actual championship contenders hadn't been that different. The West had freaking Houston in the WCF in 2015, Memphis in 2013, Phoenix in 2010 and Denver in 2009. Plenty of years where they weren't deep either at the level that matters.
 

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"Bruh the Clippers had Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and were winnin 50 games every year!"

"Say what you will about the East but the Raptors were always right there with the Cavs and they had to earn it"

"Houston could pour points on anybody, James Harden was putting up 28/12. Then in OKC they had Westbrook averaging a triple double. What teams today have that?!"

"The Grizzlies were TOUGH. Every team had to watch out for them and they were always a threat."




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No one's denying he wasn't lazy. He was also one of the most physically gifted players ever.

In an era where guys train like they do today and the talent pool in 10 times larger than it was in 1982, being a physically gifted lazy guy doesn't get you nearly as far. There are a ton of physically gifted ballers being pulled into the game and the ones who work hard dominate the ones who dont.

Not to mention the rules would kill him - taking 10 seconds to back guys down in the post has been made illegal, zones make life far more difficult for guys who drive but can't shoot, and lazy players on defense kill modern defensive schemes.
 

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1980: Lakers/Sixers
'81: Celtics/Rockets
'82: Lakers/Sixers
'83: Lakers/Sixers
'84: Lakers/Celtics
'85: Lakers/Celtics
'86: Celtics/Rockets
'87: Lakers/Celtics
'88: Lakers/Pistons
'89: Lakers/Pistons

That's hella repetitive. Only five teams made it to the finals in the 80s.


And people say magic/bird saved the nba
 

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And people say magic/bird saved the nba
And they did. That's the underlying point of this debate: That the league has always been this way, and despite a vocal minority of dissenting opinions, dynasties, superteams, and rivalries are what the fans WANT.

Hell, the complainers are probably the ones who engage and watch the most :russ: . So dedicated to rooting against the teams they claim are ruining the league that they get super invested while claiming they don't care:sas2:
 

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And they did. That's the underlying point of this debate: That the league has always been this way, and despite a vocal minority of dissenting opinions, dynasties, superteams, and rivalries are what the fans WANT.

Hell, the complainers are probably the ones who engage and watch the most :russ: . So dedicated to rooting against the teams they claim are ruining the league that they get super invested while claiming they don't care:sas2:


Facts and a certain player took the nba to a whole new level in the 90s:mjpls:
 
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the way the bigs are downgraded now, Barkley would feast in todays era. He was athletic, explosive, and very talented so what made u think u wouldn't adapt?
There's bigs just as athletic as him in the league now with a half foot height advantage :manny:

And we're moving into a new era of great big men...hell 2 of the top 3 scorers in the league are big men :whoo:
 

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And they did. That's the underlying point of this debate: That the league has always been this way, and despite a vocal minority of dissenting opinions, dynasties, superteams, and rivalries are what the fans WANT.

Hell, the complainers are probably the ones who engage and watch the most :russ: . So dedicated to rooting against the teams they claim are ruining the league that they get super invested while claiming they don't care:sas2:
"They'll boo us, but they'll pay to boo us"

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Is he wrong? Lebron is going to his 7th NBA final in a row with no competition in the Leastern Conference again...

Wade saved this man in 2012 so salute to him but competition is trash...

LeBron has historically faced teams with a greater defensive rating than Jordan did.
No-one outside of internet commenters discredits his ridiculous 7 finals runs. Even Steve Kerr and Scottie Pippen say his finals run are all time great accomplishments.
 
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