Chicago Bears hire Matt Eberflus

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To be fair, I’m not saying that a coach who prioritizes defense cannot help his quarterback or his offense. Especially if they have the right assistants and coordinators.

Many defense-minded coaches have had success (Belichick, Parcells, Dungy, to name a few)

It just seems to me that Chicago has had an offense problem for a very, very long time. I’m curious to see what the plan is here.

 

[OscarAcosta]

The 4 remaining coaches left in the playoffs. "Reid, McVay, Shanny, and Taylor"

Point me to the defensive minded coach. This ain't 1980 no more. Ask the Bills, defense only gets you so far.

I agree with the general point, and I wanted Caldwell, although a few others seemingly didn’t, but it’s a bit disingenuous to use the Bills as an example. They fukking destroyed NE, and that performance against KC would’ve beaten every other team in the playoffs 100 times out of 100.

They simply got beaten by an absolute fukking genius in Patrick Mahomes. I don’t think that any defence was beating Patrick that day - not 85 Bears, not 00s Ravens, nobody.

 

[Born2BKing]

I agree with the general point, and I wanted Caldwell, although a few others seemingly didn’t, but it’s a bit disingenuous to use the Bills as an example. They fukking destroyed NE, and that performance against KC would’ve beaten every other team in the playoffs 100 times out of 100.

They simply got beaten by an absolute fukking genius in Patrick Mahomes. I don’t think that any defence was beating Patrick that day - not 85 Bears, not 00s Ravens, nobody.

Exactly, no defense is stopping some of these offenses, so why hire a defensive minded coach in 2022? You need someone who can build an offense and is good at situational awareness ala not kicking the ball for a touchback like McDermott did against KC.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Good coach. Probably his time to move up the ladder.

 

[PortCityProphet]

old mantras die hard, and we tend to lean on a couple examples, rather than examine everything on a case by case basis , but given our young raw qb you would want someone with the experience to at least point him in the direction of decent play, like Caldwell. Not saying dude can’t help, or get a good oc or qb coach, time will tell, but a guy that wasn’t burning up the league with his prowess got the job, so I’m gon sit back and see, and he better kick ass and take names, because y’all chose him over a proven developer of qb talent and winning record

In this version of NFL coaching circles a DC almost never interacts with the offensive side of the ball so QB development for him is similar to asking an architect who specialized in residential construction to design a commercial skyrise. They're related, but the specifics can still be fukked up since they don't have experience. Beli developed Tom by explaining how defenses work etc etc, but I don't think that type of coaching happens anymore.

A good OC matters more cause he gon spend more time with him than the HC.
nikkas gush over Herbert and Allen but both McDermott and Staley defensive coaches. And I was gonna mention Beli too. Russ with Pete and lawd knows he never had an OC worth a shyt.
I agree with Doc that its an individual thing. I mean look at all the offensive masterminds at HC and all the underdeveloped Qb.

 

[Brozay]

Ill hold judgment until we see them play some games. Im sure he sold Ryan Poles on having a plan for Justin's development (and who he can bring in as OC & QB Coach)

Colts fans seem to hold him in high regard

 

[Born2BKing]

Wonder if you "good hire, give him 3 years" ass nikkas will keep the same energy when all 8 coaching openings are filled by cacs.

 

[OscarAcosta]

Exactly, no defense is stopping some of these offenses, so why hire a defensive minded coach in 2022? You need someone who can build an offense and is good at situational awareness ala not kicking the ball for a touchback like McDermott did against KC.

Yeah, as said, I agree with the general point, just that I don’t think that the Bills are a good example, but whatever.

We have Fields, and we have to make sure that his development is not stunted in any way. Unless Poles doesn’t think that he is worth putting every resource into developing, then I’m not confident that a defensive-minded coach is the right choice. I suppose I should probably wait until the staff is built before getting worried, though.

 

[PortCityProphet]

Ill hold judgment until we see them play some games. Im sure he sold Ryan Poles on having a plan for Justin's development (and who he can bring in as OC & QB Coach)

Colts fans seem to hold him in high regard

Having a good shutdown defense is just as good for a young QB development as having some offensive mind that wants to just sling it round IMO

 

[Born2BKing]

Having a good shutdown defense is just as good for a young QB development as having some offensive mind that wants to just sling it round IMO

How is this hire better than Jim Caldwell who is proven at developing QBs?

 

[PortCityProphet]

How is this hire better than Jim Caldwell who is proven at developing QBs?

Thats not my argument.

 

[Born2BKing]

Thats not my argument.

Well that's who he beat out.

 

[calh45]

A good OC matters more cause he gon spend more time with him than the HC.
nikkas gush over Herbert and Allen but both McDermott and Staley defensive coaches. And I was gonna mention Beli too. Russ with Pete and lawd knows he never had an OC worth a shyt.
I agree with Doc that its an individual thing. I mean look at all the offensive masterminds at HC and all the underdeveloped Qb.

A HC is going to lend his knowledge to the side of the ball he specializes in. McVay used to openly say he didn't care what his DC did and just left it to him. Herbert had Lynn at first, so even if you don't believe in Lynn's ability to coach, there was going to be some offense related development going on while he was HC. If we're really being honest about Herbert he regressed as he went through THIS year and more people got an understanding of what they were doing. McDermott got Daboll which is the primary reason Allen became Allen. Allen needed to be developed out of college. Allen's next step is going to be determined by who McDermott gets to replace Daboll.

It can be done no matter what their, a former DC won't have specific understanding on how a QB is developing until he sees the results, but a former OC will know during the process of teaching in the meeting rooms and can course correct if they see problems. Both of them can pick bad OC's and that's where the underdeveloping happens, but you have a better chance with making sure a young QB learns fundamentals correctly with a former OC. Beli developed Brady, but Pete stunted Russ' growth a bit because he just kept the offense conservative as shyt and relied on Russ occasionally being a magician.

 

[PortCityProphet]

Well that's who he beat out.

And Idgaf cause yall the same cats running round in other threads clamoring for Flores to get gigs.

So if yall stopped faking the funk to try to fit your agendas and just say yall want black coaches to get the gigs id respect it more. But yall in here talking bout why hire defensive coaches

 

[Born2BKing]

And Idgaf cause yall the same cats running round in other threads clamoring for Flores to get gigs.

So if yall stopped faking the funk to try to fit your agendas and just say yall want black coaches to get the gigs id respect it more. But yall in here talking bout why hire defensive coaches

The 2 aren't mutual exclusive. Some teams need a defensive minded coach, some need an offensive. Chicago needs offense as they have always had a solid defense. Are you upset that some are rooting for more black head coaches? Don''t get your gripe.