"win" is a strange wordDid you know we didnt win the vietnam war?we took our ball and went home
its like Afghanistan.
if I was kicking your ass until I left...then....
China Got Bodied By Vietnam
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its like Afghanistan.
if I was kicking your ass until I left...then....
Roger king
Superstar
That was ages ago, the chinese military is very powerful
Nikkas couldnt wait to get out lmao
They definitely should be able to get along peacefully. It's just that the U.S. and the major communist nations were / are rivals, and America is and has always been wary of rival nations increasing their influence globally since we're the big homies in these streets.
im not you
All Star
skokiaan
African original
Didn't brooklyn Vietnam also body the ol' US of A 
around 58k US deaths....Didn't brooklyn Vietnam also body the ol' US of A
around 1.1 million north vietnamese deaths
US withdrawl was due to politics not military loss
Vandelay
Life is absurd. Lean into it.
Arguably, communism would be more successful if specialized production of finished goods was outsourced to countries who did it better. For all of it's faults, specialization is one significant benefit of globalization and allows more players on the board.
My callout, not really mine obviously, is the ownership class was able to co-opt Soviet aggression into wholesale anti-socialist messaging. Those 2 things were not the same.
The US was definitely headed to a hybrid economic model until the 70s, and it's no coincidence the middle-class has been eroding ever since because we've headed virtually unimpeded into shareholder capitalism.
No doubt they are different but VERY powerful I wouldnt say that yet, imo. China, for now, is only powerful on paper, simply because the only recent time they used their military in a significant conflict was to put down their own unarmed citizens during Tiananmen Square protests. But, as we see with Israel during the beginning of the attack on them and Russia, the readiness of your troops and how their training plays out in actual combat is unknown until they actually fight. Israel conscript army was looking very amateurish and disorganized during the beginning. Everyone knows how Russia is doing. Who knows how China actually performs in combat.
Everyone spies on everyone though. even friends. Also, one way to look at this is that we just finished signing a new defense agreement with them. Vietnam, from their perspective, may have wanted to see what the Americans are thinking behind closed doors before trusting them fully going into any arrangement with them . shyt, it would almost be dumb for countries not to do that.yep...the USA isn't completely friends with them... but they're a good ally against china...
Vietnam tried to hack U.S. officials, CNN with posts on X, probe finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/09/vietnam-predator-hack-investigation/ paywall: https://archive.ph/EJtHz
Reagan: "Trust, but verify"
Edit: This part of the WaPo story may be a sign this was the case and them making sure that the US isn't trying some Okey dokey shyt behind their back going into the agreement. The US was probably spying on them too for the same reason
African Peasant
Veteran
This is not how you decide a winner in a war. It's not a MMA match.
North Vietnam realized its political goal : they reunited the country under the red banner.
They won.
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RadaMillz
Veteran
south east Asians in general are different breed, I grew up with them in SoCal, they have that warrior spirit.
vietnam would never back down from anyone
vietnam would never back down from anyone
Of course they won. It was a victory won through politics not military.
This distinction needs to be made so the actuality of the situation isn’t overlooked and the specifics of the war aren’t misunderstood.
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