Classics Discussion: Too $hort

[bigbadbossup2012]

Illmatic was critically acclaimed by almost everyone back when it came out so I'm not sure what you mean here.

Meaning who?

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

There was nothing new about Illmatic" lyriciscm" and illmatic sound more cartoony than a ill portryal of ny streets. His lil homies did a much better job on the infamous. I dont listen to illmatic and feel like i'm being walked through NY. I feel like someone's at their folks pad scribbling comic tales. I could care less about that mafioso escobar shyt. I'm specifiacally talking about nas becoming more creative and having a more focused direction in his writing. Which is fact.
On illmatic you could damn near trade the verses on most of the songs and it would still be the same song. I agree that illmatic and ob4cl meant something on the east but neither album ran the game as a whole and it was what biggie and puffy was on that brought the east back to the top and nikkas that followed their pattern are came through them became the east coast dons that took the crown back

yeah because Illmatic was told from a 3rd person perspective rather than the Infamous which was 1st person and thus more direct. I also think The Infamous is better anyway.

Biggie was the sealer that brought attention back to the East, but people like Nas and Wu-Tang were beginning to wrestle attention away from the West bit by bit, and by the time Biggie blew up the switch back over was confirmed.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

you have a valid point about EC bias no doubt but I also feel the reason more classics came out of the region was because it was a bigger market generally, so more shyt was being released as well

but I don't know when you are focusing on consensus classics like OB4CL and Illmatic. You literally picked the two most acclaimed albums ever to make your argument?

at least talk about Muddy Waters or something..

I picked those because it's that real. Neither of those albums were running hiphop and the fact that the east coast brainwash machine has created that narrative,show how powerful it is. "two most acclaimed" by who. East coast bias mags and disc jockey's? The general public wasnt on them like that. I clearly remember.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I picked those because it's that real. Neither of those albums were running hiphop and the fact that the east coast brainwash machine has created that narrative,show how powerful it is. "two most acclaimed" by who. East coast bias mags and disc jockey's? The general public wasnt on them like that. I clearly remember.

so are you from the West Coast?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

yeah because Illmatic was told from a 3rd person perspective rather than the Infamous which was 1st person and thus more direct. I also think The Infamous is better anyway.

Biggie was the sealer that brought attention back to the East, but people like Nas and Wu-Tang were beginning to wrestle attention away from the West bit by bit, and by the time Biggie blew up the switch back over was confirmed.

Nonsense. Nas album went plat in 2001,came out in 1994,that's not alot of attention.
.They were no threat without biggie.
Wu was getting outshined by a midwest group that was signed to an west coast don by the name of eazy.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

so are you from the West Coast?

No,Cincinnati Ohio born and raised

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Nonsense. Nas album went plat in 2001,came out in 1994,that's not alot of attention.
.They were no threat without biggie.
Wu was getting outshined by a midwest group that was signed to an west coast don by the name of eazy.

you saying Biggie single-handedly (and Big Boy) managed to get attention back to the East away from the Death Row machine? Just those guys?

No,Cincinnati Ohio born and raised

fair enough

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

you saying Biggie single-handedly (and Big Boy) managed to get attention back to the East away from the Death Row machine? Just those guys?





fair enough

Naw i'm saying badboy was the key player. Remove bad boy and the east doesnt come back. You could of removed nas and east still returns,with bad boy at the head and wu in the back. Or removed wu and kept biggie at the head and nas in the back. But remove badboy and them nikkas never return.
Peep the connections
The biggest stars in wu back then were Meth and ODB if you dont know.
Biggest song odb was on was Mariah carey fantasy bad boy remix
Method man's biggest record was with mary j (not a bad boy artist but sean combs prodeje)
What does nas first big records sound like? Bad boy shyt,obvious sample,obvious hook remakes.
What camp was jay heavily involved with before he blew.
He was on mase album 4mil,puff's album 7mil,lil kim's album 2mil,on big's album 11mil and had big on his first album.
Where was dmx? he was in videos performing on songs from mase album and the lox.
Bad boy was the key that changed it all.
If you dont know,puffy was invovled with 40% + of the the songs on black radio in 97-98.
Dont let these mags confuse you.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Naw i'm saying badboy was the key player. Remove bad boy and the east doesnt come back. You could of removed nas and east still returns,with bad boy at the head and wu in the back. Or removed wu and kept biggie at the head and nas in the back. But remove badboy and them nikkas never return.
Peep the connections
The biggest stars in wu back then were Meth and ODB if you dont know.
Biggest song odb was on was Mariah carey fantasy bad boy remix
Method man's biggest record was with mary j (not a bad boy artist but sean combs prodeje)
What does nas first big records sound like? Bad boy shyt,obvious sample,obvious hook remakes.
What camp was jay heavily involved with before he blew.
He was on mase album 4mil,puff's album 7mil,lil kim's album 2mil,on big's album 11mil and had big on his first album.
Where was dmx? he was in videos performing on songs from mase album and the lox.
Bad boy was the key that changed it all.
If you dont know,puffy was invovled with 40% + of the the songs on black radio in 97-98.
Dont let these mags confuse you.

oh no I completely agree with you lol. Bad Boy were the main players for sure. I thought you were insinuating that Wu and Nas weren't important at all. As I said they were kinda complementary pieces that still had an impact in bringing attention back. But I agreed with you that once Biggie blew up, it was over.

 

[SirBiatch]

@Inspect Her Deck, have you seen @bigbadbossup2012? He went mute yesterday and disappeared. I'm still waiting for him to answer a few questions in another thread:

I named one, and you discounted it. Besides, I need to know 3 or 4 rappers so I get an idea of "someone's numbers vs competition during whatever the said artist's peak was."

You've mentioned 2. If you can finish it off with MC Ren and Spice 1 that's all I need.

Lemme know if he comes by. I'd hate to think he's ducking discussion

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

@Inspect Her Deck, have you seen @bigbadbossup2012? He went mute yesterday and disappeared. I'm still waiting for him to answer a few questions in another thread:



Lemme know if he comes by. I'd hate to think he's ducking discussion

he's been responding to me, so I'm sure he'll resurface lol

btw what's your take on Too Short?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It took 7 years for E-40's album in a major way to go platinum...But that shouldn't be a barometer on impact

Be clear,there's albums that NEVER went plat that are classics to me like COMIN OUT HARD.
My problem is that these east coast mags,media members and the fans brainwashed by them only give undeniable "classic" status to east coast albums that didnt move big units. Albums like in a major way,anything that spice 1 did ,too short,anyone not from there and/or doesnt have a sound that caters to them,had to had major nationwide success to get the same props as a east coast project that didnt do so well. But it's never the other way around. You'll never see a quality album from south or west with light sales being compared to an east coast block buster classic.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@Inspect Her Deck, have you seen @bigbadbossup2012? He went mute yesterday and disappeared. I'm still waiting for him to answer a few questions in another thread:



Lemme know if he comes by. I'd hate to think he's ducking discussion

You dont have to look. I told you to name an artist. I respnded to two,which was twice what i said i would do. If that's not enough for you to get it,then that's your misfortune

 

[SirBiatch]

You dont have to look. I told you to name an artist. I respnded to two,which was twice what i said i would do. If that's not enough for you to get it,then that's your misfortune

why are you backing down though? You've said on here many times that you're always open to discussion but posters on here are scared.

You're not scared, are you?

 

[SirBiatch]

he's been responding to me, so I'm sure he'll resurface lol

btw what's your take on Too Short?

I gave my opinion on Too Short on the first page. No classics or anything remotely close. I can't even do a Top 5 songs for dude because I only like (and hear) one song of his.