Claudette Ortiz is back!!!!!!!!

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Look at the depression though, makeup can't cover that up. :thumbsdown:

Who is talking about their age?

What a sad life... Look at their behavior on that trailer and tell me nothing is wrong with those broads.

:rudy:

You don't make it to reality television without acting like that. It's not a color thing, Watch the Beverly Hills Housewives and tell me the difference besides wealth and color. At least all the women on the show had a talent that got them famous as opposed to bishes on shows just to show they ass.
 
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Look at all those old broads on the video all looking tired, dejected, depressed WOW. :to:

They all look really flabby and sick. that is not the way to live life. :no:

A lot of Black people just don't know how to live, I mean look at their faces and attitudes SMH :stopitslime:

This video just shows money and fame doesn't buy happiness, it's how you use the opportunities given to your advantage which most people just don't know how to do. :angry:

With the expecting of Ortiz. They're all in their 40's. What do you expect them do look like?
 

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With the expecting of Ortiz. They're all in their 40's. What do you expect them do look like?

Man GTFOH and stop making excuses. My mother without makeup looks way fresher than all these chicks combined and she's 20 yrs older than all these broads.

Phylicia Rashad, Whoppi Goldberg and many other old school broads look way more healthy and sane than these chicks.

Stop it people. :stopitslime:
 

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you mean could claudette have pulled this off?

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with years of media hype and the machine backing her up like Beyonce, I'd say yes. Vocally and looks wise there is not much separating them. If roles were reversed and Claudette came up in Destinys Child like Beyonce the world wouldn't have missed a beat.

Beyoncé is big because of her team. Sony made sure she got with the best songwriters/producers and video directors. The way she was set up she couldn't lose. Some would say in 01-02 her and Ashanti were neck and neck before the Jay-Z connection lifted her to Queen status. She had that Sony Machine behind her which is responsible for the constant radio play and constant video spins.

Truth. Cats acting like Beyoncé is a once in a lifetime talent/personality like Michael Jackson was.
Okay and Michael Jackson didn't benefit from going thru Joe Jackson/Motown boot camp?? :childplease:

Why didn't Jermaine or Tito go on to have amazing solo careers?? They went thru the same boot camp!! Maybe talent has something to do with it :patrice:


If it's sOoOoOoOo simple to create Beyoncé's why aren't there more around?? Wouldn't Sony want 10 "Beyoncé's" to profit off of?? I guess talent and work ethic has nothing to do with it huh?? :comeon:

I'm not even try to shyt on Claudette either (she was bad :whew:), the fact remains though that while Beyoncé was out there busting her ass and improving her skills...Claudette was busy getting knocked up and dumping one member of her group for the other one.

Ohh and @O RLY if you really think there isn't much separating them vocally I don't know what to tell u breh...u don't have an ear for talent :manny:
 
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Okay and Michael Jackson didn't benefit from going thru Joe Jackson/Motown boot camp?? :childplease:

Why didn't Jermaine or Tito go on to have amazing solo careers?? They went thru the same boot camp!!

If it's sOoOoOoOo simple to create Beyoncé's why aren't there more around?? Wouldn't Sony want 10 "Beyoncé's" to profit off of?? I guess talent and work ethic has nothing to do with it huh?? :comeon:

I'm not even try to shyt on Claudette either (she was bad :whew:), the fact remains though that while Beyoncé was out there busting her ass and improving her skills...Claudette was busy getting knocked up and dumping one member of her group for the other one.

Jermaine and Tito didn't have any of the star traits that Michael had. I never said Joe Jackson's boot camp was responsible for MJ's talent or fame. What you're saying is basically the same as saying Lebron's AAU teammates should've had the same success as him since they had access to the same coaches and facilities since 10 years old. MJ was a natural and his talent/personality/look is what separated him from his siblings and peers. Beyoncé doesn't have anything that separates her from her peers besides that machine. She didn't separate herself via a signature Moonwalk or made world changing songs like "Man in the Mirror" that she wrote.

She had the machine that Michael built behind her. Put that same machine behind any pretty light skin chic that can sing and dance and you'll get the same result. Give Ciara the same exact machine and marketing dollars along with the Jay-Z association and the results are the same.
 
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Man GTFOH and stop making excuses. My mother without makeup looks way fresher than all these chicks combined and she's 20 yrs older than all these broads.

Phylicia Rashad, Whoppi Goldberg and many other old school broads look way more healthy and sane than these chicks.

Stop it people. :stopitslime:

Put your mom's pic up and let us judge....:beli:

Since she puts these broads to shame and all
 
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I'm not even try to shyt on Claudette either (she was bad :whew:), the fact remains though that while Beyoncé was out there busting her ass and improving her skills...Claudette was busy getting knocked up and dumping one member of her group for the other one.

:whoa: For you it may sound like just a good time but for her its what she calls life
 

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The only one imo that looks :scusthov: is Dawn. She looks sick and so does her boyfriend.
 
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Jermaine and Tito didn't have any of the star traits that Michael had. I never said Joe Jackson's boot camp was responsible for MJ's talent or fame. What you're saying is basically the same as saying Lebron's AAU teammates should've had the same success as him since they had access to the same coaches and facilities since 10 years old. MJ was a natural and his talent/personality/look is what separated him from his siblings and peers. Beyoncé doesn't have anything that separates her from her peers besides that machine. She didn't separate herself via a signature Moonwalk or made world changing songs like "Man in the Mirror" that she wrote.

She had the machine that Michael built behind her. Put that same machine behind any pretty light skin chic that can sing and dance and you'll get the same result. Give Ciara the same exact machine and marketing dollars along with the Jay-Z association and the results are the same.


Man I swear, black folks are some of the biggest haters walking the earth....

This post is categorically misguided....Smoke and Mirrors only go so far, and that's what the machine is all about...

There is no way for a black artist to be a part of over 100 million records sold, in modern times, off just smoke and mirrors.....

Line her up against other artists in that category and I dare you to say that they have no talent....

It's just easy for us to hate our own nowadays...shyt is depressing
 

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Jermaine and Tito didn't have any of the star traits that Michael had. I never said Joe Jackson's boot camp was responsible for MJ's talent or fame. What you're saying is basically the same as saying Lebron's AAU teammates should've had the same success as him since they had access to the same coaches and facilities since 10 years old. MJ was a natural and his talent/personality/look is what separated him from his siblings and peers. Beyoncé doesn't have anything that separates her from her peers besides that machine. She didn't separate herself via a signature Moonwalk or made world changing songs like "Man in the Mirror" that she wrote.

She had the machine that Michael built behind her. Put that same machine behind any pretty light skin chic that can sing and dance and you'll get the same result. Give Ciara the same exact machine and marketing dollars along with the Jay-Z association and the results are the same.
Breh are you serious?? Your coming off very :lupe: right now!!

Im saying the exact opposite of that!! IM saying that the "original talent" has something to do with the outcome!! I only used that as an example to show that even with the same machines the results vary because of the talent.

Your implying that you can throw Sony behind any pretty light skin bytch that can carry a tune and...poof you have Beyoncé. IM saying I disagree!!

As far as bringing up Ciara goes :russ:.

Somebody get this man a meeting with Sony ASAP apparently they have they power to make more Beyoncé's at will :rudy:
 

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Yall really trying to downplay the perfect storm that created Beyonce...you can't just make one of those. If that was the case there would be multiple Beyonce level artists running around here....

I heard motherfukkers saying they made Hov
Made Hov say, "Ok so, make another Hov"
 
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Claudette is still fine. They need to cast her as Vanity in the Last Dragon remake. She can pull that sh1t off. She's not as sexy as Vanity was but I'll accept her as a replacement.
 

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Man I swear, black folks are some of the biggest haters walking the earth....

This post is categorically misguided....Smoke and Mirrors only go so far, and that's what the machine is all about...

There is no way for a black artist to be a part of over 100 million records sold, in modern times, off just smoke and mirrors.....

Line her up against other artists in that category and I dare you to say that they have no talent....

It's just easy for us to hate our own nowadays...shyt is depressing

Where did I say she had no talent? My point is there is no great talent disparity between her and her peers. Nobody was saying there was a huge gap in talent between Beyoncé and Ashanti in 2002. Actually Ashanti writes her own music which increases her talent. Sony flood the airwaves with Beyoncé which is why you believe there is a huge talent disparity between her and a artist like Ciara.

Let's say Ciara got the same songs Sony's A&R's provided for Beyoncé, and made sure they got the same amount of spins, what do you think Ciara would have become?
 
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