Clipse album produced by Pharrell LET GOD SORT EM OUT Discussion thread JULY 11TH

[krulesweatshirt]

That kendrick verse is just as good as his verse on nosetalgia

 

[hex]

Grindin’ put them on the map - that was 20 years ago and outside of LW, all the Clipse albums have been commercial failures. HHNF did 80k in 2006 when people were going platinum left, right and centre and TTCD did 39k first week in 2009, way before streaming was even regarded a thought. First album was shelved before LW came out 3 years after….in normal circumstances, he would’ve been dropped and left to fend for himself on the indie circuit. Slim Thug’s album on Star Trak did 130k first week which is more than any Pusha album, solo or group and he was dropped with the quickness.

Lot of focus on numbers but the point is that he has the relationship with the same producer for 20 years because they’ve been friends since childhood, not because of the commercial success he’s delivered him. Pusha T is not walking the Louis V runway in Paris or attending the Met Gala because he’s a superstar rapper lool



In regards to Kanye, yep he ghost wrote for him but everyone ghost wrote for Kanye - even his biggest opp ghost wrote for him loool. Ghostwriting for Kanye is like ghostwriting for Dre - you’d be more pressed to find someone didn’t ghost write for him. In this context though I’m talking about Pusha as an artist in his own regard and with 4 albums under GOOD music, he’s never cracked 100k first week - I don’t even think he’s gone gold. So in spite of him being an artist that’s never put up crazy numbers (case could be made that he’s consistently underperformed on Soundscan), he still managed to get to the position of CEO. He may shown some other ‘transferable’ skills that Kanye saw as beneficial for the position but outside looking in, it was most likely that he was the artist in GOOD that was most tight with Kanye. How you go from the below (which was just 3 years ago) to ‘I never respected him as a leader and a man for the 12 years I worked with him’ is kind of mind boggling:



This is what I’m talking about when I say social climber - his alignment with Kanye served its use to him until it didn’t…



Objectively speaking, he’s not a peer to Jay, Nas or Kendrick - he’s not on their level in terms of status or what they’ve achieved in their career, he just isn’t. He’s a great rapper - I literally said he’s in my top five but he’s not in the same sphere as those you mentioned and I listen to him way more than I do them. And if anything, these rappers are examples of the social climbing he does because it was through his relationships with Kanye and Pharell that he was able to get relationships with Jay (Ye), Nas, (Ye) and Kendrick (Pharell). Jay-Z didn’t give a fukk about Pusha when he was doing 16s with Ab Liva and Sandman on the Re-up Gang tapes. In fact he told Pharrell that they were one dimensional cause all they rap about is coke lol

As someone said in another thread, Pusha’s brand is Coke, High Fashion and hating on rappers that are bigger than him which is why it’s gone from beef with Wayne to Aubrey to now Travis. He hates that these rappers are more successful than him - he’ll always just find the narrative to justify the hate. But he’s an elite rapper so he does it well lol

90% of what you said had nothing to do with what you quoted.

You called him a social climber....working with the same guy 20 years later is not a social climb. I dunno if you're using the wrong term and mean something else, or what.

As far as Kanye....yeah, a gang of people have written for him. It's why he is who he is. If you remove every ghost written verse his career probably would've stalled out at being a RZA clone 20 years ago. Likewise, it's likely none of his writers would've achieved the same level of success.

Not sure why this is seen as a negative specifically for Pusha T though. I notice people do this weird thing where they hold Pusha T's ability to network against him.

I'm not talking about your opinion as a fan. I'm talking about his actual peers. The people I mentioned do consider him a peer, regardless of how you feel. You're talking about "Jay considered him one dimensional"....Jay also got him the Roc Nation deal he currently has. Kendrick is arguably the biggest rapper in the world and he gave him a verse for a Clipse album that will most likely not go platinum.

Why do you think that is?

Fred.

 

[Escobar305]

Aubrey's Angels on suicide watch

Gasping for air now, it’s beautiful

 

[904]

 

[trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In]

4.5 hrs EST until The Real from The Fake get sorted out..........

 

[Jards]

90% of what you said had nothing to do with what you quoted.

You called him a social climber....working with the same guy 20 years later is not a social climb. I dunno if you're using the wrong term and mean something else, or what.

As far as Kanye....yeah, a gang of people have written for him. It's why he is who he is. If you remove every ghost written verse his career probably would've stalled out at being a RZA clone 20 years ago. Likewise, it's likely none of his writers would've achieved the same level of success.

Not sure why this is seen as a negative specifically for Pusha T though. I notice people do this weird thing where they hold Pusha T's ability to network against him.

I'm not talking about your opinion as a fan. I'm talking about his actual peers. The people I mentioned do consider him a peer, regardless of how you feel. You're talking about "Jay considered him one dimensional"....Jay also got him the Roc Nation deal he currently has. Kendrick is arguably the biggest rapper in the world and he gave him a verse for a Clipse album that will most likely not go platinum.

Why do you think that is?

Fred.

1. Where did I say being a social climber was negative?

2. In regards to Pharrell, failing upwards is probably the better term to use.

2. How do you know Jay, Kendrick, etc consider him a peer?

Jay-Z got him the Roc Nation deal….that doesn’t make him his peer - that makes him his boss.

Also, Kendrick gave Lefty Gunplay and AZ Chike features on his album - does that mean he considers them his peers?

 

[Dad]

I know this and Jackboys... who else is dropping?

Bieber
Larry June & Cardo
Burner Boy
Givon
Boldy James

 

[WeezyFB]

1. Where did I say being a social climber was negative?

2. In regards to Pharrell, failing upwards is probably the better term to use.

2. How do you know Jay, Kendrick, etc consider him a peer?

Jay-Z got him the Roc Nation deal….that doesn’t make him his peer - that makes him his boss.

Also, Kendrick gave Lefty Gunplay and AZ Chike features on his album - does that mean he considers them his peers?

Kendrick has an history of being unpredictable when it comes to featuring artists on his own stuff...most of the time he either got very lowkey artists, or absolute legends (george clinton, Ron Isley, etc)

But as far as being a featured artist himself, he only gave 6 verses in the last 5/6 years, with 3 of them being on the same album. It's been known, through interviews (dave free) that Kendrick now only works with people he respects.

 

[Rembrandt]

This is gonna be fire and it better not be patreon only.

 

[tehparadox]

2. How do you know Jay, Kendrick, etc consider him a peer?

He said so on Control, and Pusha was one of the only artists that understood kendrick's intention, and they been friends ever since

 

[Rivoli]

Bieber
Larry June & Cardo
Burner Boy
Givon
Boldy James

Burner boy already available

 

[dakidbanks]

What’s the deal with So Be It? Saw part 2 is on the tracklist but the one that’s out with a video ain’t on these streaming services

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

1. Where did I say being a social climber was negative?

2. In regards to Pharrell, failing upwards is probably the better term to use.

2. How do you know Jay, Kendrick, etc consider him a peer?

Jay-Z got him the Roc Nation deal….that doesn’t make him his peer - that makes him his boss.

Also, Kendrick gave Lefty Gunplay and AZ Chike features on his album - does that mean he considers them his peers?

He said so on Control, and Pusha was one of the only artists that understood kendrick's intention, and they been friends ever since

Deaded that shyt quick. Kendrick wasn’t mentioning names that he didn’t consider his peers. He didn’t mention rappers that are not on his radar

 

[Dad]

Burner boy already available

ok?

 

[kaldurahm]

It's a new beat. It's the exact same track length as the OG So Be it, and the beat for the new version has been played online.

This is it. I'm assuming it's just the same lyrics, but we'll find out soon

Sounds like a dark souls boss track