COLI DEBATE: Should Flag Burners Face Some Kind Of Criminal PUNISHMENT?

[Brown_Pride]

You know what's more a symbol of america than the flag? Its People. And we do all types of atrocious shyt to that symbol on a daily basis. When we start respecting America's people, I'll be more willing to have a debate about respecting an image.

I would never personally burn a flag, as I respect what it means to those who deeply respect it, much like i'd never burn a religious book simply because I'm not that religion. For me it's more a respect thing.

That being said, I also understand why SOME people burn it in protest and I support their right to do so.

So no, a fine is idiotic. We don't need more fines and rules to be used against American people. IF MONEY is speech, the my actions are speech and if MONEY can be protected by the first amendment, then so can my actions.

 

[K.Dot]

You are a c00n if you care about that flag. I'm pro African American, but fukk everything else about this country

 

[str8up]

I don't really feel any nationalism either, maybe more regionalism when it comes to things like sports and music, so maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[SirReginald]

You know what's more a symbol of america than the flag? Its People. And we do all types of atrocious shyt to that symbol on a daily basis. When we start respecting America's people, I'll be more willing to have a debate about respecting an image.

I would never personally burn a flag, as I respect what it means to those who deeply respect it, much like i'd never burn a religious book simply because I'm not that religion. For me it's more a respect thing.

That being said, I also understand why SOME people burn it in protest and I support their right to do so.

So no, a fine is idiotic. We don't need more fines and rules to be used against American people. IF MONEY is speech, the my actions are speech and if MONEY can be protected by the first amendment, then so can my actions.

Good point of view brethren

 

[SirReginald]

BUMP

 

[bzb]

this is how it starts. the slippery slope of redefining rights and protections afforded by the constitution.

this is clearly about trump and his vision for what it means to "make america great again" and "take the country back". he and his people want it to be very clear this is a white man's country. fall in line or leave like he told kap.

it's transparent to most, but not to some. damn shame how some of you think there's a seat at the table for us in trump's america.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

cacs so hypocritical about the flag

they will use it for fashion purposes and to make profit off off

yet act like they hold it so dear

 

[Mowgli]

Listen, as many know I'm centre-left on social issues However, I consider myself a Progressive on economics However, with this flag burning thing I think some type of criminal penalty should happen. Yeah, I know that it's protected as freedom of speech, but that's just too far In my opinion, I'm all for protesting unjust laws. I continue to do it all the time. With pushing prison/criminal justice reform and ending income inequality I just always felt that flag-burning is regressive. That's just my opinion. It solves nothing and is non-productive.

What do you guys think? I differ on this issue because I had family in the military. Yeah, the U.S. has been involved in over-throwing Democratic-elected leaders and i'm AGAINST THAT. I'd rather the U.S. be isolated from war in other countries. ESPECIALLY, the middle-east. My view is, that war should be the LAST resort. However, my ancestors and other groups helped build this country off of their backs.


Tell me what you think.

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What makes burning a flag worse then not believing in God. Should atheists be jailed?

Flag burning should be zero penalties because eif the government becomes tyrannical then the symbol of what the flag represents has diminished

 

[little4209]

No, it's just a piece of cloth..

 

[SirReginald]

What makes burning a flag worse then not believing in God. Should atheists be jailed?

Flag burning should be zero penalties because eif the government becomes tyrannical then the symbol of what the flag represents has diminished

No, Atheists should be jailed and that's a baseless analogy. Remember, there's a separation of church and state.

 

[SirReginald]

No, it's just a piece of cloth..

To you it may be a piece of cloth. However, I'm going to be fair that to most people the flag represents hope, freedom, and prosperity.

 

[SirReginald]

You are a c00n if you care about that flag. I'm pro African American, but fukk everything else about this country

Let's not call names. This is a debate not a namecalling session. I've brought up those points in the OP and first page. c00ning is when you hate your own people. We can't devalue that word.

 

[SirReginald]

this is how it starts. the slippery slope of redefining rights and protections afforded by the constitution.

this is clearly about trump and his vision for what it means to "make america great again" and "take the country back". he and his people want it to be very clear this is a white man's country. fall in line or leave like he told kap.

it's transparent to most, but not to some. damn shame how some of you think there's a seat at the table for us in trump's america.

This isn't Trump's America. America belongs to all the people. Only thing Trump is people is the President.

 

[SirReginald]

Good discussion thus far.

 

[David_TheMan]

By US law flag burners and those who petition and speak out against the government can not face any government persecution or punishment. Its the law.
Should they, no they shouldn't, not in a free society.