Coli, who do you think is higher on the all time list, Kawhi Leonard or Scottie Pippen

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Luke Cage said:
His standing has gradually increased in the years since his retirement.
Hence the reason they are writing opinion pieces decades later annoucing he was second best. IF they calling him second best at the time, that writer wouldn't have been trying to argue that point in the 2015.
Moreover i think his subsecquent overrating begin as a response to modern players team hopping for more help.
They assume because lebron needed so much help to win it all. MJ must of had help to win his six. So now we are at a place where a player who never even averaged 20ppg in his career and finish top 5 in mvp voting is being lifted up over players putting up 30 that actually won MVPs. Its crazy. Nobody in the 90s thought that.
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BRUH ... WHY ARE U LYING? PIPPEN LITERALLY RECEIVED 7 FIRST PLACE MVP VOTES IN REAL TIME N FINISHED 3RD OVERALL

HE NEVER AVERAGED 20?? HE AVERAGED OVER 20 ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.. THATS HOW I KNOW U WERENT THERE


U CAN CAP ABOUT HIS STATS AND ACCOLADES ALL U WANT, BUT THE DATA SHOWS THAT ARGUMENT WAS CLEARLY BEING MADE
 
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Sccit said:
"FLUKE" LOL

HIS SECOND OPTION WAS BJ ARMSTRONG AND HE TOOK THE KNICKS TO 7 GAMES IN THE ECF

THE KNICKS LOST IN 7 GAMES VS HOUSTON IN THE FINALS THAT YEAR

THAT WAS PIPPENS ONLY CHANCE TO LEAD A TEAM IN HIS PRIME

U WASNT THERE IN REAL TIME IF U DONT THINK
HE WAS LEGIT
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All that and Phil wouldn't even let him take the game winning shot in the playoffs that year :mjlol:

Had Scottie bytch ass pouting on the bench
 
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Sccit said:
BRUH ... WHY ARE U LYING? PIPPEN LITERALLY RECEIVED 7 FIRST PLACE MVP VOTES IN REAL TIME N FINISHED 3RD OVERALL

HE NEVER AVERAGED 20?? HE AVERAGED OVER 20 ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.. THATS HOW I KNOW U WERENT THERE


U CAN CAP ABOUT HIS STATS AND ACCOLADES ALL U WANT, BUT THE DATA SHOWS THAT ARGUMENT WAS CLEARLY BEING MADE
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You are reaching with the mvp votes. He never won the MVP. How does getting 7 first place votes place him over actual winners?
Cool your right though, he average maybe like 1 or 2 points over 20 maybe like 2 or 3 times in his career :mjlol:
 
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Luke Cage said:
His standing has gradually increased in the years since his retirement.
Hence the reason they are writing opinion pieces decades later annoucing he was second best. IF they calling him second best at the time, that writer wouldn't have been trying to argue that point in the 2015.
Moreover i think his subsecquent overrating begin as a response to modern players team hopping for more help.
They assume because lebron needed so much help to win it all. MJ must of had help to win his six. So now we are at a place where a player who never even averaged 20ppg in his career and finish top 5 in mvp voting is being lifted up over players putting up 30 that actually won MVPs. Its crazy. Nobody in the 90s thought that.
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Your overall point is correct but you're swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction. Pippen was never thought of as the second best player alive in real time. At his peak he was maybe a Top 5 guy. Maybe at the very crescent of his abilities...

But he was absolutely viewed as a Top 10 player thru his prime. He deserves his respect for that and if he was a Top 10 player playing next to Mike, it isn't at all a stretch to believe he could've been a more evolved, more dynamic player if he had a longer rope.

As it is Kawhi is the better player because we saw what a modern version of Pippen looked like when he got to become a #1. But we're talking about Kawhi, a guy who never truly dominated the sport himself, he has one title as a #1, he didn't have some extended decade-long run of dominance (he barely had a 5-year run); there's a bit of revisionism and exaggeration that goes on with Kawhi, too.

The years he finished highest in MVP (2nd in '16, 3rd in '17), think about those years. 2016 and 2017. Nobody in real time thought Kawhi was better than Durant, LeBron, or Curry. He was the new hotness and we watched him evolve from a historically great defensive player to "the best two way player", but like Pippen, he was never the second best player alive.

The year he won his title in Toronto, he had the benefit of a load-managed 60 games on a team that was elite before he got there (who just needed a closer); in a season that lost LeBron to injury, lost Durant to injury and he got to play that Finals vs a team down two of its three best players.

He was breaking down by the end of that series himself, in a loaded managed season. The revisionist exaggeration pieces went nuts after the W but we knew he wasnt better than the three guys we all knew were better players.

So like Pippen there's a similar archetype, albeit with a higher peak---because at peak Kawhi WAS a Top 5 player no doubt---but the gap between the two isnt so insane that you can't make this comparison.
 
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