Convicted of murder at 12, Released at 19… is this a story of redemption?

[HARLEM AL]

I could see if it was a accident. Stabbing someone to death is some wild shyt. 7 years ain’t long enough for me.

 

[Da_Eggman]

I could see if it was a accident. Stabbing someone to death is some wild shyt. 7 years ain’t long enough for me.

He played with the kid too and waited for his chance to stab him in the back

 

[King Harlem]

I hope the parents of the murdered child disowned that opp ass grandma

The news reporter said the parents of Conner almost immediately started to reach out and support him.

 

[Family Man]

The sad thing is, there are millions of kids right now who are in the same situation he was in, who will never get the support and help he needed.

You should watch the videos too. Don’t we want jail to rehabilitate people or just solely punish them?

Get the fukk outta here with that bleeding heart nonsense.

 

[levitate]

Honestly seems like an incredibly light sentence given his crime…even if he did it as a kid.

 

[get these nets]

@murksiderock

When you did what you got sentenced for, you knew that it was wrong, but you did it anyway. You probably didn't know what the legal penalty would be if you got caught, but come sentencing time no judge is trying to hear that, nor will it factor into what amount of time he hits you with.

How did you arrive at 20 years being the max you'd give for any crime committed by a person under 18?

 

[Oldschooler]

Fair enough, I have no problem with your opinion, I feel it's misplaced...

At 13 you're just not developed enough to be prepared for the consequences if your actions. Neither are you at 14, 15, 16, 17, and honestly not at 18 or 19 either, because out here in the real world most 18-19 year olds aren't supporting themselves, most of them still associate with teenage peer groups because they just left high school, etc...

We all know that despite the American ideology, 18-19 year olds are not adults. Very, very few of them live as such, speak as such, move as such...

At 13 he had no shot. His background is secondary to me because I think his age should be the primary factor, but we were in the hole together one year and he told me he never knew his dad, and him and his sister were in and out of foster care because his mom was an addict. When she was well she got them back, when she was on the shyt again they went back in. He was in foster care when he killed that lady...

So he had a shytty background AND he was only 13. Im not advocating for no punishment, but 40 years is excessive, the reality is he wasn't a 33-year old man who killed this woman...

The 13 year old mind isn't fully developed. Why is the system more lenient towards crimes from mentally ill people...but gives the full extent of punishment to cases such as above?

I guess the toughest part is evaluating mental illness. There's no scientific basis on evaluating mental illness. I honestly believe all humans have some form of it to an extent.

The other thing here is the system trying to rehabilitate or are they trying to punish to prevent (scare) future kids in that same position. I mean let's face it you're dealing with a one off case here.... there's millions of kids that come from broken homes and fukked up situations that don't commit such heinous crimes. To me the solution is for that juvenile to spend his younger years with other peers in the system and hopefully go through programs for rehabilitation instead of tossing them in with the big boys for 40 years.

 

[HARLEM AL]

He played with the kid too and waited for his chance to stab him in the back

The details makes it even worst.

 

[mag357]

I don't want to argue.... And I know I bring up this topic and people start throwing around derogatory words...

But this is the reason why I always bring up the topic about the underage thing..
Basically the "how old is 15 anyway" Dave Chappelle bit...

Because it plays right into my point that they can say that a fukking 13yr old is an adult, because of his actions... And give him an adult sentence..

We as a society have to pick one side..
We can't have it both ways.

Are these teenagers always "kids" or are they "little adults" depending on their actions.

You can't have it both ways...
Because then biases start to pop up..

Are we picking and choosing because of race...? Are we picking and choosing because of gender?

 

[get these nets]

The 13 year old mind isn't fully developed. Why is the system more lenient towards crimes from mentally ill people...but gives the full extent of punishment to cases such as above?

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What does this mean exactly? That 13 year olds don't understand the difference between RIGHT and wrong, and life and death?

 

[Thegospel]

Such a predictable coli thread and responses. Never change fellas

 

[Oldschooler]

What does this mean exactly? That 13 year olds don't understand the difference between RIGHT and wrong, and life and death?

You're trying to turn a complex issue into a black and white topic. That's not how it works and the law doesn't/shouldn't work like that. Research shows our brains stop developing anywhere between 20-25 years old. At 13 you still have a long way to go. Not to mention our brains are in rapid development at that age so it's much easier to pick up bad habits by your environment around you without rational thinking. So to answer your question a 13 year old doesn't know 'wrong from right' unless they've been properly raised or parented.

 

[get these nets]

You're trying to turn a complex issue into a black and white topic. That's not how it works and the law doesn't/shouldn't work like that. Research shows our brains stop developing anywhere between 20-25 years old. At 13 you still have a long way to go. Not to mention our brains are in rapid development at that age so it's much easier to pick up bad habits by your environment around you without rational thinking. So to answer your question a 13 year old doesn't know 'wrong from right' unless they've been properly raised or parented.

13 year old can receive detention in school for not following rules, can receive punishment from parents for not following rules, can receive penalty from their sports coach for not following rules, and can get arrested by law enforcement & punished by juvenile court system for breaking laws.

But somehow if they kill somebody, they shouldn't get commensurate punishment because they don't know right from wrong, and brains still developing?

 

[BaggerofTea]

12 years old is young to commit murder.


They really need to scan his brain and conduct tests to make sure there isn't an underlying personality disorder

 

[The Realist Perspective]

At the age of 5 I knew killing someone was something I should never do. God are people idiots in this thread.