Cop man handles black girl in classroom

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

IMO....there should have been at least two officers there to remove her.....one to grab her legs and another to grab her upper body....the way the one officer went about trying to remove her was disgusting...he had his arms around her neck and threw her to the ground....if you really think this was the appropriate means to remove an unruly child then I don't know what to say to you??..

Ok, so you do agree that physical force in this situation IS warranted. I can concede your point that if another officer or staff member were available, then yes, that definitely should have been the better choice to have 2 people remove her, beause even though she wasn't injured, the likelihood of an injury to either one of them is lessened with more staff present. But this is again without knowing the details of the school, if another officer were available, etc.

I just rewatched the video again. He grabs her arm and tries to pull her out of the seat. She resists, he goes for more leverage by grabbing her upper body and then tries to scoop her entire lower body out the seat. Again, outside of having another person if someone else is available, I don't see what else is so extreme here.

Also, LOL @ the fact that once the adults in this thread actually started building like grown ups, all the loudmouths who couldn't actually form and express a well formed viewpoint on either end if their lives depended on it turned to lurkers. That's more like it, because children are to be seen and not heard where I come from.

I wish back in my editorial days all I had to do was call someone a cac, rather than actually explaining why their reasoning was flawed on a particular subject. Would have made some of my published articles a lot easier, lol.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Ok, so you do agree that physical force in this situation IS warranted. I can concede your point that if another officer or staff member were available, then yes, that definitely should have been the better choice to have 2 people remove her, beause even though she wasn't injured, the likelihood of an injury to either one of them is lessened with more staff present. But this is again without knowing the details of the school, if another officer were available, etc.

I just rewatched the video again. He grabs her arm and tries to pull her out of the seat. She resists, he goes for more leverage by grabbing her upper body and then tries to scoop her entire lower body out the seat. Again, outside of having another person if someone else is available, I don't see what else is so extreme here.

Also, LOL @ the fact that once the adults in this thread actually started building like grown ups, all the loudmouths who couldn't actually form and express a well formed viewpoint on either end if their lives depended on it turned to lurkers. That's more like it, because children are to be seen and not heard where I come from.

I wish back in my editorial days all I had to do was call someone a cac, rather than actually explaining why their reasoning was flawed on a particular subject. Would have made some of my published articles a lot easier, lol.

I'm done....if you're too blind to see this was excessive force on a minor that is on you....

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Yes I do. And I also have kids of my own.

Ignoring tantrums is actually the best way to get them to stop.

Getting into a shouting match/fight with a child does nothing but reinforce the behavior.

Now she feels justified in her actions. Had they just ignored her and let her make an ass of herself then suspend her she might have learned a lesson.

I haven't seen anything suggesting the teacher got into a shouting match with this girl. And her being removed from the class didn't give her a feeling of justification. The fact that she refused to follow the authority figures present multiple times already proved that she felt justified in her actions well before the cop showed up.

Suspension is a punishment applied AFTER the fact. A teacher cannot and should not be reasonably expected to allow students to behave however they see fit while the behavior is occurring. Teachers are taught to phone for assistance to have a student removed from a class if they don't comply with their instructions. It prevents learning, encourages repeat offenses, and undermines the authority of the teacher if they simply allow it to continue, hoping the student just "makes an ass of themselves" instead.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

I'm done....if you're too blind to see this was excessive force on a minor that is on you....

We just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one then. I'm all for sh*ttin' on cops when warranted, and have seen more than my share of police abusing their powers and have been on the receiving end of it. I have a HUGE problem with the culture of policing, I've had cops pull burners on family, I've been profiled, I've written and debated on the subject ad nauseam with people offline, etc. But I can't put this incident in the same vein as that, underage or not.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I haven't seen anything suggesting the teacher got into a shouting match with this girl. And her being removed from the class didn't give her a feeling of justification. The fact that she refused to follow the authority figures present multiple times already proved that she felt justified in her actions well before the cop showed up.

The cop got into a fight with her. Which is what she wanted. She dared them to fight. They took the invitation.

She wasn't listening because she thought their "discipline" was unreasonable.

They did nothing but come in and give her some real unreasonable discipline.

And now she's all over the news with people siding with her. She got what she wanted and all she was taught was to meet adversity with violence

Suspension is a punishment applied AFTER the fact. A teacher cannot and should not be reasonably expected to allow students to behave however they see fit while the behavior is occurring. Teachers are taught to phone for assistance to have a student removed from a class if they don't comply with their instructions. It prevents learning, encourages repeat offenses, and undermines the authority of the teacher if they simply allow it to continue, hoping the student just "makes an ass of themselves" instead.

No. Go read any psychological study on children's behavior. Fighting there tantrums with violence of your own only reinforces the behavior.

Do you have kids?

 

[FeloniousMonk]

I don't see what else is so extreme here.

So if that was your daughter, you'd be okay with the officers reaction, in the given scenario?

 

[Azul]

I gotta say, I'm impressed with the turn this thread made. Intelligent, thought out discourse and debate.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Only watched it once...

We must separate positive black from negative black. We are NOT all the same. That's where we've been falling for the okie dokie.

Now, if she was asked to leave the class and didn't comply...slam her on her neck. He actually slammed her softly in my eyes.

We have several generations of lost kids and adults. No helping these people until they help themselves. Kids that will fight or kill their own parents. Kids that will tell you kiss their ass. I'm sorry but kids like that deserve to be slammed on their neck.

I don't like it was a cac, and I don't know the context, but I had to add this.

fukk outta here nikka with that bullshyt

 

[Ronnie Lott]

OK, so what would have been appropriate to remove someone that is already sitting in a desk and hanging onto it in an attempt to prevent someone from removing her from it? I haven't seen someone answer this with an effective method yet if they are against anyone putting their hands on her.

And again, this isn't someone displaying civil disobedience as an act of protest. This is a student in a classroom that decided being on her cell phone in the middle of a class session was more important than the teacher's instructions, the school's rules, administrative orders, her fellow students learning, and a police officer's orders.

If a guy were to do the exact same thing to his daughter because he didn't want her to be on her cell phone at the dinner table, what do you think would happen to him?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

If the girl was not gonna get up or leave and stayed seated in defiance,are you guys that surprised?Yes the cop was wrong I get that.Yelling at her wouldn't have helped.Folding his arms waiting for her to get out of her seat wouldn't have helped.What the hell was he suppose to do? Cops/SRO have power,im not talking hall monitors,Top Flight Security ninjas etc im talking real cops and school appointed officers.They can actually tase students too and place them in handcuffs (but that's another topic).Ol girl was gonna get handled either way and people continue to ignore the fact he benches 600 lbs and is a defensive line coach.This will happen in another school to,this is only the beginning.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

The cop got into a fight with her. Which is what she wanted. She dared them to fight. They took the invitation.

She wasn't listening because she thought their "discipline" was unreasonable.

They did nothing but come in and give her some real unreasonable discipline.

And now she's all over the news with people siding with her. She got what she wanted and all she was taught was to meet adversity with violence

Before I switched careers and went into healthcare, I taught at public schools. Family has a long history in public education. I also worked for years in child group homes with kids with behavioral and criminal backgrounds. I was REQUIRED to study child psychology. I still work in mental health part time. You are attempting to equate the equivalent of a child crying and stomping because they want ice cream for dinner to a teenager who is displaying clear signs of ODD. There is a clinical difference between boundary testing and defiance. You prevent the former by not allowing the latter.


And all due respect my man, but who gives a flying fukk if "she thought the discipline was unreasonable"? The teacher is in the middle of conducting class, you don't get to decide as a student whether or not what they tell you to do is unreasonable or not. I sincerely hope you're not offering that as justification for her behavior.

And no, no seeds on my end.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Before I switched careers and went into healthcare, I taught at public schools. Family has a long history in public education. I also worked for years in child group homes with kids with behavioral and criminal backgrounds. I was REQUIRED to study child psychology. I still work in mental health part time. You are attempting to equate the equivalent of a child crying and stomping because they want ice cream for dinner to a teenager who is displaying clear signs of ODD. There is a clinical difference between boundary testing and defiance. You prevent the former by not allowing the latter.


And all due respect my man, but who gives a flying fukk if "she thought the discipline was unreasonable"? The teacher is in the middle of conducting class, you don't get to decide as a student whether or not what they tell you to do is unreasonable or not. I sincerely hope you're not offering that as justification for her behavior.

Go read up on ODD. Chokeslamming a kid is not a reasonable disciplinary action.


And as for your second paragraph. Had the adults made good decisions no one would care how she felt.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Before I switched careers and went into healthcare, I taught at public schools. Family has a long history in public education. I also worked for years in child group homes with kids with behavioral and criminal backgrounds. I was REQUIRED to study child psychology. I still work in mental health part time. You are attempting to equate the equivalent of a child crying and stomping because they want ice cream for dinner to a teenager who is displaying clear signs of ODD. There is a clinical difference between boundary testing and defiance. You prevent the former by not allowing the latter.


And all due respect my man, but who gives a flying fukk if "she thought the discipline was unreasonable"? The teacher is in the middle of conducting class, you don't get to decide as a student whether or not what they tell you to do is unreasonable or not. I sincerely hope you're not offering that as justification for her behavior.

And no, no seeds on my end.

The above poster is a compete idiot. Rambling about bullshyt.

 

[Melza]

We all watched the video of him bench pressing 600 pounds. Are people seriously asking how he could have removed her from the class? Hmmmm? I don't know... maybe lift her in the seat and put it in the hallway. OR do what was done when I was in school: clear a space and push the seat with her in it out the door into the hallway. If I was growing up in these times, I would for sure be dead or in someone's jail because I was extremely defiant and had attitude for days. Guess what, that's how teens act! To criminalize standard teen behaviour is very slippery slope.

 

[scarlxrd]

I definitely see your point... but there still has to be a level of tact\humanity when dealing with people.... and imo, the officer showed absolutely none....

This is pretty much the gist of that entire video. People think that was the natural escalation of dealing with non-compliance. Mess with the bull, you get the horns... right?

The kid had zero aggression but got bodied for what some are saying is "chewing gum" and "disrupting class"

This isn't how to deal with people, let alone kids. Acting like she couldn't be reasoned with or something. fukk outta here.