Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

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I've seen a ton of criticism leveled at the government and the media for having poor communication to the people during this entire pandemic. And I'm not excusing that. They have. But I just wanted to add a caveat to come to the defense of the scientists, public health officials, media, and government (if only a tiny bit).

This is a virus that is totally novel, and a rapidly changing situation where things can be entirely different from one month to the next. Best practices can change fast, and what experts think is bad/good/neutral one week may change the next week. This is why conspiracy theorists often look back at initial news reports of huge events being different than later news reports as being 'evidence of a conspiracy' when in reality, the early news is just usually more likely to be misreported or not the complete picture.

Our education system has really failed in terms of teaching people that science is a process and not a rigid belief system. Just because scientists are saying one thing right now that might be very different than one year ago does not mean that they were lying one year ago. The best we can do is work from the best info we have at any given time. We understand more about this virus with every passing day, and there's still so much to learn. I wish people would stop viewing changes in messaging as evidence in every instance that they're being lied to, or that there's a conspiracy, or that scientists and medical experts don't know what they're talking about.

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@Rhakim tagging ya re: the conspiracy theorists

I have criticized the government and its response.

The virus is novel and things change. I accept that.

You have to balance public safety vs unnatural confinement vs economic impact. I accept that.

What I cannot accept and forgive, is the G7 governments' acquiescence to Big Pharma in terms of IP and the failure in getting the vaccines to everyone and not just their countries.

It was selfish, a massive misstep and probably the primary reason why we are here today. Not anti-vaxxers.
 

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I got fully vaccinated as soon as I could, but I have very little confidence in efficacy of masks to reduce transmission let alone end this pandemic.

I remember when people were claiming Asian countries like Japan and Vietnam showed how masking/compliance to public health directives are the way out.

Have any of those people revisited those claims? Mask compliance very high in both countries since 2020, and yet pandemic as bad as it’s been for either at this stage. Same for a lot of Southeast Asia.

At what point do people revisit idea masks make a major difference? Beyond that, what is the point if COVID is bound to be endemic? What is the target?

What's true vs what's marketed is tough to separate. From what I remember n95 and kn95 masks work. But they are really aren't supposed to be reusable.

I use my mask because it kinda reinforces social distancing for me. Also in my mind the slightest bit of protection, not matter how small helps.
 
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I got fully vaccinated as soon as I could, but I have very little confidence in efficacy of masks to reduce transmission let alone end this pandemic.



I remember when people were claiming Asian countries like Japan and Vietnam showed how masking/compliance to public health directives are the way out.

Have any of those people revisited those claims? Mask compliance very high in both countries since 2020, and yet pandemic as bad as it’s been for either at this stage. Same for a lot of Southeast Asia.

At what point do people revisit idea masks make a major difference? Beyond that, what is the point if COVID is bound to be endemic? What is the target?
This ignorant talking point has been addressed numerous times just in this thread alone.

I have criticized the government and its response.

The virus is novel and things change. I accept that.

You have to balance public safety vs unnatural confinement vs economic impact. I accept that.

What I cannot accept and forgive, is the G7 governments' acquiescence to Big Pharma in terms of IP and the failure in getting the vaccines to everyone and not just their countries.

It was selfish, a massive misstep and probably the primary reason why we are here today. Not anti-vaxxers.
At least you been consistent with bad quality posting lately. But...


Anti vaxxers are playing a huge part in this. Now Iknow this website is absolutely trash thus so many good people have been chased away. But if you're determined to be part of the problem and not the solution, then get more creative solid talking points, thanks.











Or you get vaxxed, wear masks social distance and STFU:manny:
 
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not always but it feels like it's usually men that can't get out of their own way on stuff like this

this is par for the course

women outlive men because they seek medical treatment and intervention more often than men

I got fully vaccinated as soon as I could, but I have very little confidence in efficacy of masks to reduce transmission let alone end this pandemic.

I remember when people were claiming Asian countries like Japan and Vietnam showed how masking/compliance to public health directives are the way out.

Have any of those people revisited those claims? Mask compliance very high in both countries since 2020, and yet pandemic as bad as it’s been for either at this stage. Same for a lot of Southeast Asia.

At what point do people revisit idea masks make a major difference? Beyond that, what is the point if COVID is bound to be endemic? What is the target?
careful now

I’ve been negged plenty of times for not seeing mask as the key to solving the pandemic

This place loves mask for some reason
 

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This ignorant talking point has been addressed numerous times just in this thread alone.


At least you been consistent with bad quality posting lately. But...



Anti vaxxers are playing a huge part in this. Noq I this website is absolutely trash thus so many good people have been chased away. But if you're determined to be part of the problem and not the solution, then get more creative solid talking points, thanks.











Or you get vaxxed, wear masks social distance and STFU:manny:

Saying the government holds bigger responsibility for the state of things today than antivaxxers is a low quality talking point?

This is where you, through frustration or sheer indiscipline, lose the plot and become a part of the problem.

There will be another talking point to run after when vaccination rates eventually go up but either way, it's too late to make a marked difference to the prevalance of the virus.

That said, some of you clearly want a thread where you can shyt on people, I will leave you to it.
 

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this is par for the course

women outlive men because they seek medical treatment and intervention more often than men

careful now

I’ve been negged plenty of times for not seeing mask as the key to solving the pandemic

This place loves mask for some reason

I understand why politicians and officials love mask mandates. They’re an easy way to show you are “doing something” while cases rise and public is more concerned about transmission. That doesn’t mean they actually make a big difference.

Seems like you can’t discuss this without people making immediate associations to politics or culture wars. If there are mask rules, I’ll wear them, but at what point does this end? No one can provide any metric or target.
 
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