Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

[hashmander]

Now this thread went to shyt too

the thread isn't going to shyt because someone disagrees with you. i don't agree with @dora_da_destroyer being flippant about 200k majority elderly and most likely minority lives not because of the number, but because the only reason it would be 200k is because of the inconveniencing measures being taken right now. so if everyone said fukk this i can't take social distancing and stay at home orders anymore to keep the loss of life down to 200k (or 60-80k if we stay this aggressive into august). that would be false because it would be in the millions without.

as for the 200k number, it's all hypothetical but if you say 200k will die if we end everything that's crippling society right now and get back to normal, is that 200k still objectionable to you? weigh that vs the thousands who will off themselves and others if this continues for months on end and the economy crumbles around them and continues into the future.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I've. Been. Saying. This.

People going out recreationally is keeping this shyt alive.

Thats how people who think "going to the park" means they're "social distancing". They're just walking into each other's "clouds".

Jesus Christ















Belgian-Dutch Study: Why in times of COVID-19 you can not walk/run/bike close to each other.
Jurgen Thoelen

What is a safe distance when running, biking and walking during COVID-19 times? It is further than the typical 1–2 meter as prescribed in different countries!

In a lot of countries walking, biking and jogging are welcome activities in these times of COVID-19. However, it is important to note that you need to avoid each other's slipstream when doing these activities. This comes out of the result of a study by the KU Leuven (Belgium) and TU Eindhoven (Netherlands). (1)(2)(3)

The typical social distancing rule which many countries apply between 1–2 meters seems effective when you are standing still inside or even outside with low wind. But when you go for a walk, run or bike ride you better be more careful. When someone during a run breathes, sneezes or coughs, those particles stay behind in the air. The person running behind you in the so-called slip-stream goes through this cloud of droplets.

The researchers came to this conclusion by simulating the occurrence of saliva particles of persons during movement (walking and running) and this from different positions (next to each other, diagonally behind each other and directly behind each other). Normally this type of modelling is used to improve the performance level of athletes as staying in each other air-stream is very effective. But when looking at COVID-19 the recommendation is to stay out of the slipstream according to the research.

The results of the test are made visible in a number of animations and visuals. The cloud of droplets left behind by a person is clearly visible. “People who sneeze or cough spread droplets with a bigger force, but also people who just breathe will leave particles behind”. The red dots on the image represent the biggest particles. These create the highest chance of contamination but also fall down faster. “But when running through that cloud they still can land on your clothing” according to Professor Bert Blocken.

Out of the simulations, it appears that social distancing plays less of a role for 2 people in a low wind environment when running/walking next to each other. The droplets land behind the duo. When you are positioned diagonally behind each other the risk is also smaller to catch the droplets of the lead runner. The risk of contamination is the biggest when people are just behind each other, in each other’s slipstream.

On the basis of these results the scientist advises that for walking the distance of people moving in the same direction in 1 line should be at least 4–5 meter, for running and slow biking it should be 10 meters and for hard biking at least 20 meters. Also, when passing someone it is advised to already be in different lane at a considerable distance e.g. 20 meters for biking.

This is definitely information I will be taking into account and it also puts in perspective the closing of busy parks etc. Perhaps the better way is just running in the street, on your own or at least with sufficient distance. Stay safe…

(1): www.demorgen.be/nieuws/belgisch-onderzoek-fietsen-joggen-of-wandelen-doe-je-best-niet-achter-elkaar-in-tijden-van-corona~b60aece6/

(2): www.hln.be/wetenschap-planeet/wetenschap/belgisch-onderzoek-fietsen-joggen-of-wandelen-doe-je-best-niet-achter-elkaar-in-tijden-van-corona~a60aece6/

(3): http://www.urbanphysics.net/Social Distancing v20_White_Paper.pdf

 

[CrimsonTider]

I didn’t say back to normal, but there’s a middle ground.



Furthermore I’m a person whose very comfortable with the concept of death and feel like if 200k people have to die to move through this faster, well and yes, I’m aware that that someone could be me or a loved one

I’m wilding because I won’t call grocery workers heroes and because I don’t see 100k out of 350M people dying as the end of the world - especially if 2/3 of them are over 60?

No, I’m just posting how I feel, regardless of it not fitting the “group consensus”.

fake outrage

eventually we're gonna have to make a choice about this lose/lose situation, even if no one wants to say it out loud

I can’t believe we’re in April and people are still making this argument

if there was no social distancing the deaths would be in the 10s of thousands everyday not the thousands like now

there’s no economy if everyone is sick/dead and there’s no doctors and nurses working in the hospitals cause there’s no PPE or medical resources


the argument to sacrifice people to restart the economy is not a real argument

the economy will bounce back with the proper social safety nets enacted

there’s a thread in TRL about a 45 year barber that was making house calls that died of Covid. That’s basically what you’re arguing for

 

[jj23]

Who the fukk is trying to be in someone's slipstream during exercise though?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Who the fukk is trying to be in someone's slipstream during exercise though?

who "tries" to catch this?

People are out here walking around thinking they're "social distancing"

Thats not how this works.

I see people still in the parks thinking its all good.

Being around anyone, doing anything is ALL BAD.

 

[jj23]

the thread isn't going to shyt because someone disagrees with you. i don't agree with @dora_da_destroyer being flippant about 200k majority elderly and most likely minority lives not because of the number, but because the only reason it would be 200k is because of the inconveniencing measures being taken right now. so if everyone said fukk this i can't take social distancing and stay at home orders anymore to keep the loss of life down to 200k (or 60-80k if we stay this aggressive into august). that would be false because it would be in the millions without.

as for the 200k number, it's all hypothetical but if you say 200k will die if we end everything that's crippling society right and get back to normal, is that 200k still objectionable to you? weigh that vs the thousands who will off themselves and others if this continues for months on end and the economy crumbles around them and continues into the future.

People who will off themselves and others needs to be considered.

But that's a variable that comes out of the constant threat of coronavirus.

If you reopen and people are still sick and dying, that still means people with mental issue are going to be paranoid and may end up killing people.

You fix coronavirus and you also work on fixing the variables. It shouldn't be a zero sum game.

 

[jj23]

who "tries" to catch this?

People are out here walking around thinking they're "social distancing"

Thats not how this works.

I see people still in the parks thinking its all good.

Being around anyone, doing anything is ALL BAD.

That's not what I asked. Have you gone running since this thing started?

I have seen no situations where people are running within 10 metre of each other.

 

[MoneyTron]

I’m still in disbelief someone actually tried to promote the fukking Epoch Times like we’re in a TLR thread.

The fukk is going on?

 

[The ADD]

Got a touch testy in here. Let’s reset today. Everybody is frustrated but I don’t think anybody is trolling.

 

[Wild self]

I can’t believe we’re in April and people are still making this argument

if there was no social distancing the deaths would be in the 10s of thousands everyday not the thousands like now

there’s no economy if everyone is sick/dead and there’s no doctors and nurses working in the hospitals cause there’s no PPE or medical resources


the argument to sacrifice people to restart the economy is not a real argument

the economy will bounce back with the proper social safety nets enacted

there’s a thread in TRL about a 45 year barber that was making house calls that died of Covid. That’s basically what you’re arguing for

People showing off their Josef Stalin stances in here

"OH, the economy is more important. Who cares about people over 60?"

Who make them arguments, outside of basement dwellers and serial killers?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's not what I asked. Have you gone running since this thing started?

I have seen no situations where people are running within 10 metre of each other.

 

[Wild self]

Someone pointed out to me that a person's diet greatly affects the response to CoVID19. They said that people with mucus due to heavy starch and dairy in their diets, have a much weaker immune system, and the reason why many people in Italy, who eat a lot of cheese and breads, have extreme difficulty breathing due to the mucus already in their bodies getting affected.

 

[Robbie3000]

Assuming that's 67k over the course of a year, that's about 183 people on average dying every day from opioid overdoses. That's admittedly a grim toll. I'd dispute people not giving a shyt, given all of the chatter and politicians at least giving it lip service, but that's another thread .

Almost 2000 people died in the last 24 hours from this virus. And that's not counting the number of deaths being missed because of people dying outside of hospitals from it. And that's the outcome with all of the lockdowns that took place last month.

You can avoid dying by opioid overdose by not taking opioids. Pathogens that cause pandemics like this can't just be avoided in the same way.

The only alternative to what we are doing was to practice herd immunity which according to the model would have resulted in a death toll of 1-2 million and even more hospitalized.

The medical infrastructure is not build to with withstand that kind of pressure and neither is the population ready for that kind of psychological trauma.

shyt if you had 10,000 people dying each day, the economy would come to a standstill on its own. People would say fukk it and we would see the kind of social unrest and upheaval that this country and world has never seen.

They act like people are just so go back to work all calm and shyt while watching love ones die around them like this is Russia in WW2.

 

[Wild self]

The only alternative to what we are doing was to practice herd immunity which according to the model would have resulted in a death toll of 1-2 million and even more hospitalized.

The medical infrastructure is not build to with withstand that kind of pressure and neither is the population ready for that kind of psychological trauma.

shyt if you had 10,000 people dying each day, the economy would come to a standstill on its own. People would say fukk it and we would see the kind of social unrest and upheaval that this country and world has never seen.

They act like people are just so go back to work all calm and shyt while watching love ones die around them like this is Russia in WW2.

Some people are morbid like Stalin.

 

[eXodus]

Got a touch testy in here. Let’s reset today. Everybody is frustrated but I don’t think anybody is trolling.

just read the last 2 pages and yikes, I ain’t been in this thread in days, think ima keep it that way