Could Bootcamp have even been bigger than The Wu ?

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Nah. Boot Camp didn’t have someone like Method Man that did that relationship joint with Mary J. Smiff and Wesson might have been the only BCC members with commercial appeal.

But their song with Mary was a classic. Needed a video and a push. Their label was so garbage.




They also had shyt like this for the next LP but instead got stalled out.




This remix wasn't on the album




Then they got the lawsuit from Smith and Wesson and they got stalled again. They came back with that dumb Coco Brovaz album and that was when it was clear that the Wu could update their sound, while BCC couldn't do it right without Beatminerz. They could have gotten Buckwild, Diamond D, Pete Rock, Large Pro whoever. Keep the sound intact but updated. Instead their live music wasn't as hot and they never recovered like that. They're talented MCs but their cheap sounding production held them back.
 

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But their song with Mary was a classic. Needed a video and a push. Their label was so garbage.




They also had shyt like this for the next LP but instead got stalled out.




This remix wasn't on the album




Then they got the lawsuit from Smith and Wesson and they got stalled again. They came back with that dumb Coco Brovaz album and that was when it was clear that the Wu could update their sound, while BCC couldn't do it right without Beatminerz. They could have gotten Buckwild, Diamond D, Pete Rock, Large Pro whoever. Keep the sound intact but updated. Instead their live music wasn't as hot and they never recovered like that. They're talented MCs but their cheap sounding production held them back.


yea wifey knows the I love you remix and doesn't know who it is; and back in the day before her hoes use to rock with it I fukked with.



they were so mismanaged its not even funny.

Sean P's rebrand should be studied.
 

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One of the worst release ever based on anticipation. To this day, I have no answers. After this album, BCC was over for me except Magnum five album. What is the story behind such a bad album? Why was Beatminerz not present on the majority of beats. Out of 1000 rap albums I have listened to, I remember being very upset for not liking it lol
Is it crazy that I don’t hate for the people?
 

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36 is a culmination of styles, using kung fu movies to market their music, with an entire brand new defining sound to match. shyt sounded like kung fu fights on wax. The while who is everyone aspect with a solo standout.

Tical is a drug head album with rockish type beats, and had wuropeans remixing the songs into techno/house hits. Meth being so popular had them branching out to pop rap with puff.

Return was an old school blaxploitation comedy esque old sound record that could fit with modern rap of the times west coast stuff in a way with catchy tunes. Odb was then marketed to the pop market while having the absolute rawest beats out. He collabed with dozens of rnb singers and rock stars.

Cuban linx uses mafia/street culture. This locked down streets snd the nyc white boys. Staple of street rap wnd kept their name good even when they were out the light so rae / ghost stayed working with top street rappers for decades.


Liquid swords is heady shyt for college kids. Marketed on college radio. Got the hipsters. Its dark and lyrical. It uses classic b movie to market off of: japanese style this time. Used the movie theme in full. Comic book cover art. legit MOVIE on wax and sampling a Classic ug movie and made it his own. . Gza was directing getting into the diy movie vibe of the eras 90s ug movies too. Singles were marketed on those films of the time like fresh.

Ironman was the soul album, marketed using soeed racet cartoons, anime / a combo of all the previous movie brandings, colorful language, clothes/gear… wu wear blew up same time. Marvel comics off branding. Deck was sposed to use spiderman at this time.

Wi tang forever 5% stuff on tour with rage, almost rock group type marketed. by then wu was on skateboards like the misfits and in skate vids, mtv specials and off it went. By then they dominated soundtracks that kept them out there even if the radio in nyc died.


99 it was vudeogames. 10 releases main. 10 ug wu on 20 diff labels. Each in different lane. Killarmy was military… bootcamps gimmivk.

Score / ost sets for big directors. West coast beez + Bobby digital album and film. They put the W on kung fu flicks and re released them all with new names. Belly movie / ost. Black and white movie / ost. Killer beez had hits in europe with la saga and had an entire euro only releases before any act in rap. Eventually that lead to a slew of score / ost side releases and they again dominated the underground market.

Rza basically… worked a deal with EVERY label so wu stayed being promoted.

always had tie ins for every album. On a whole diff level. Hed score. Then have a side ost. Then a solo album. Then a group album. Then a wu comp. Then another solo. And anothrr score. Then a european album / mixtape. Now he does jingles for ad campaigns and promotes all types of products and keeps wus music in commercials like its mtv in 90s.

Everything was carefully crafted to different markets/sub cultures. Even in doing kill bill ghost dog and afro samurai. Which is why i saw gunns wwf thing a mile away and knew some day someone would use that shyt even in 90s.


Bcc could barely hold one consistant sound with 4 diff groups for 4 albums.. It didnt pop like wu. They couldnt compete with wu sonically let alone business wise and rzas vision of sampling

5 star posting right here. In retrospect we usually talk more about what the Wu and RZA did wrong, but everything they did right is crazy. We could probably study other groups/posses of the 90s and it would be quickly obvious how unique the Wu was.



As a fan of both (much more of a Wu-Stan tho) I always liked the fact both crews gave each other props over the years.
 

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But their song with Mary was a classic. Needed a video and a push. Their label was so garbage.




They also had shyt like this for the next LP but instead got stalled out.




This remix wasn't on the album




Then they got the lawsuit from Smith and Wesson and they got stalled again. They came back with that dumb Coco Brovaz album and that was when it was clear that the Wu could update their sound, while BCC couldn't do it right without Beatminerz. They could have gotten Buckwild, Diamond D, Pete Rock, Large Pro whoever. Keep the sound intact but updated. Instead their live music wasn't as hot and they never recovered like that. They're talented MCs but their cheap sounding production held them back.


I enjoyed that Cocoa B's album! Although shyt like black trump aged horrifically for obvious reasons, i enjoyed the music

i will say it had absolutely no continuity with the identity established by Da Shinin and Bcc at large. Could have come from completely different artists with different legacies.

that'll get you buried by history. kinda makes sense why the collective fell off , unfortunately
 

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Nah.

And early on, I was a huge fan of the camp. But the issue was, after Dah Shinin', they started having internal issues that affected everything that came after. Once the production started falling off, they were done. Beatminerz were the ingredient for them, like RZA was for Wu.

But they started feeling like they didn't need Dee and Walt, and wanted to run their own careers and A&R their own albums. Once that started, the whole movement died.
Steele told me years ago the problems with that album was direction.

Being around Pac, Buck, Tek , and Steele wanted to incorporate more melodies, harmonies and a more universal sound to touch different markets

Rock, Sean Price, and the OGC wanted that raw NYC Boom bap Street shyt. They were ready to get the Beatminerz and do the job.

He told me a funny story of one day Sean Price or Rock almost wanting to quit because they seen a CAC in the studio with a guitar :russ:
 

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Nah.

And early on, I was a huge fan of the camp. But the issue was, after Dah Shinin', they started having internal issues that affected everything that came after. Once the production started falling off, they were done. Beatminerz were the ingredient for them, like RZA was for Wu.

But they started feeling like they didn't need Dee and Walt, and wanted to run their own careers and A&R their own albums. Once that started, the whole movement died.

i stand kinda corrected. what exaxtly happened?
 
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in the 2000s? probably. the WU kinda slowed down, an BCC coulda took the throne there
But by then the sound both groups specialized in was dead to the mainstream, so the "bigger" part wouldn't even really be possible unless BCC went full mainstream with Neptunes and Timbo beats or linked with Kanye/Just Blaze or Dipset/G-Unit hella early, but those producers & crews had their sights set higher.

BCC not even on MOP or Mobb Deep level of popularity, let alone being near the Wu.
 
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