COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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But, you act like people are not already advocating/agree with this.
It’s what I’ve been saying for months, and it’s viewed as contrarian on here even still. It’s being “combative” to say move the fukk on with life as if the virus will always be around you
 

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We getting real selective about "social distancing"

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the virus won’t spread there fam it’s not a football game or a restaurant patio
 

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Y’all see that snapchat story talking about Millions were supposed to die in Kenya :what:
 

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We getting real selective about "social distancing"

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That's my thing. People picking and choosing what to highlight. Everyone got together for RBG's makeshift memorial last night and no one said a thing about social distancing. Same with the protests (which I have no problem with).

I'm not wanting to rush things back to normal. I'm just being honest that it's obvious Americans are simply pivoting back to some sort of normalcy while stressing how we need to learn to live with it. I'm not saying it's right, but it's obvious. And no amount of complaining or pointing out how 1 fan at a football game of 17,000 people is going to change anything.
 

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I was driving down a main road yesterday in my city and the strip area with all the bars and shyt last night were packed. No masks and clearly not social distancing going on. It was insane. Going to be a cold fall.
:dead: where do you live? im in MA and they dont allow anything like that
 

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We getting real selective about "social distancing"

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Personally, I don't agree with it. But many reports have said that the biggest spreading events are happening indoors and with poorly ventilated rooms. Bars, Restaurants, etc are making up the bulk of new cases from something I read recently.

Secondly, folks who say masks don't protect you 100% from the virus are right but they do reduce viral load which is just as good and probably better. Here is why. There have been several studies that have shown that the initial viral load determines how bad of a reaction you will get to the virus. So, let's say a low viral load is 100 and a high is 10000. The mask ensures if you do get it, you will more likely get a viral load of 100 than 10000. The folks who get the 10000 viral loads are the folks in the hospital while the people closer to 100 may range from asymptomatic to mild cases. On top of that, there is evidence to show once you catch it, you get the immunity to some degree but they don't know for sure if this is long term. So, in a way, the best scenario is to wear a mask, get the virus, hope for the mildest case which is most likely with the mask, and now you're inoculated from the virus. But we can't do that because you got people who even refuse to wear the mask.

This is why they think early on a lot of doctors in China were dying left and right due to poor PPE because they were getting that 10000 viral load range. Now, this doesn't happen in America because we have top notch PPE and its known its needed to reduce infection or minimize the intensity of the infection.

This is why I personally wasn't "outraged" when they were showing people at the beach and stuff when it appeared at least people are not on top of each other. The advantage of being outside is that if you spray out a mist of virus, its immediately getting diluted by being in the open wide air and things like wind are further providing dilution by making it scatter into smaller clusters instead of a person just getting hit with a big dense cloud like you're more likely to encounter in a bar.

Folks don't want to believe that the BLM protests didn't result in as big of spikes as saying Florida for example allowing 100% capacity in bars and restaurants but in this context the data makes sense. Enclosed spaces, especially with poor ventilation, seem to be the ideal environment to spread it. Being outside seems to be probably one of the safest places. But public health officials aren't going to advocate for this and instead advocate for more draconian measures for now because Americans are failing the basics of the first step of this more rational response which is to simply wear a fukking mask.
 

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:dead: where do you live? im in MA and they dont allow anything like that
I'm in Tennessee and its not Nashville or Memphis so you know how these folks are getting down.

Come to the South friend and see how these rednecks get down.

I actually took pictures to share with friends and would post them...but I don't want you brehs to know where I live. No offense lol. I'm just protective of my online privacy. shyt was fukking nuts.
 

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Personally, I don't agree with it. But many reports have said that the biggest spreading events are happening indoors and with poorly ventilated rooms. Bars, Restaurants, etc are making up the bulk of new cases from something I read recently.

Secondly, folks who say masks don't protect you 100% from the virus are right but they do reduce viral load which is just as good and probably better. Here is why. There have been several studies that have shown that the initial viral load determines how bad of a reaction you will get to the virus. So, let's say a low viral load is 100 and a high is 10000. The mask ensures if you do get it, you will more likely get a viral load of 100 than 10000. The folks who get the 10000 viral loads are the folks in the hospital while the people closer to 100 may range from asymptomatic to mild cases. On top of that, there is evidence to show once you catch it, you get the immunity to some degree but they don't know for sure if this is long term. So, in a way, the best scenario is to wear a mask, get the virus, hope for the mildest case which is most likely with the mask, and now you're inoculated from the virus. But we can't do that because you got people who even refuse to wear the mask.

This is why they think early on a lot of doctors in China were dying left and right due to poor PPE because they were getting that 10000 viral load range. Now, this doesn't happen in America because we have top notch PPE and its known its needed to reduce infection or minimize the intensity of the infection.

This is why I personally wasn't "outraged" when they were showing people at the beach and stuff when it appeared at least people are not on top of each other. The advantage of being outside is that if you spray out a mist of virus, its immediately getting diluted by being in the open wide air and things like wind are further providing dilution by making it scatter into smaller clusters instead of a person just getting hit with a big dense cloud like you're more likely to encounter in a bar.

Folks don't want to believe that the BLM protests didn't result in as big of spikes as saying Florida for example allowing 100% capacity in bars and restaurants but in this context the data makes sense. Enclosed spaces, especially with poor ventilation, seem to be the ideal environment to spread it. Being outside seems to be probably one of the safest places. But public health officials aren't going to advocate for this and instead advocate for more draconian measures for now because Americans are failing the basics of the first step of this more rational response which is to simply wear a fukking mask.

Which is why winter is going to be a disaster.
 

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stop being disingenuous :stopitslime:


All those people are wearing masks and outdoors :stopitslime:. two things that greatly reduces their chances of contracting the virus or at the very least lower any viral load they're exposed to.
Will there be an article if one person tests positive like they had with one person outdoors at a football game? We both know the answer to that
 

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I cited "studies" and "thinking" a lot in my previous post. Here are a few things that reference the stuff I mentioned

Masks reducing viral loads and leading to more likely to be asymptomatic cases
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88692

Here is another article basically mentioning the inoculation through low viral load with masks theory I mentioned
Masks May Do More Than We Think (w/Dr. Monica Gandhi)

Mentions how bars and restaurants are the biggest spreading events
What Makes Bars and Restaurants Potential Covid-19 Hot Spots
Theoretically, if proper social distancing and mask wearing happens at a football game, it might be safer than sitting in a bar.
 

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Will there be an article if one person tests positive like they had with one person outdoors at a football game? We both know the answer to that

bruh , THINK.

the people in the photo you posted are there voluntarily wearing masks, they wore a mask of their own volition. Knowing this we can reasonably assume they do take similar precautions in their life. Some individuals that would attend a football game that requires a mask to be in attendance might not wear a mask properly, diligently, or in the company of others in their daily life. Engaging in behavior that increases the likelihood of contacting the virus. Your narrative is disprove by the fact that new NYC where major protests occurred, didn't see a spike in covid-19 patients and it should be noted protesters were pictured wearing masks too.
 

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bruh , THINK.

the people in the photo you posted are there voluntarily wearing masks, they wore a mask of their own volition. Knowing this we can reasonably assume they do take similar precautions in their life. Some individuals that would attend a football game that requires a mask to be in attendance might not wear a mask properly, diligently, or in the company of others in their daily life. Engaging in behavior that increases the likelihood of contacting the virus. Your narrative is disprove by the fact that new NYC where major protests occurred, didn't see a spike in covid-19 patients and it should be noted protesters were pictured wearing masks too.
Just based on math it’s 100% certainty that someone in that crowd is positive with corona, and acting irresponsibly simply by being in that crowd. Where did I say they shouldn’t be there? I don’t give a flying fukk if someone sits on those steps for days in mourning, or sits at a football game, or sits at a bar. I don’t give a shyt. It’s their choice. And it should be. But one person contracting the virus at a football game was national news. Won’t be any mention of any contact tracing of anyone at that memorial though. Folks can’t hold family funerals some states still but see hundreds of folks gathering to mourn some 90 year old judge that passed and nothing is said about the possible risks? I can’t go shoot hoops by myself because the rims were removed. It’s “unsafe” yet I can go down the street and stand at a table with 6 people and shoot craps? My buddies bar he owns can’t be open because it’s “not safe” yet the restaurant next to it can pack in 6-8 to a table and it’s no issue? Kids can’t play on playground equipment because it’s a risk, but people have to go teach at schools like bishop Gorman and it’s deemed safe? Once you’re Sitting down in a restaurant its fine to be sans mask, but can’t walk to your table without a mask? There’s no logic or reason in a lot of the decisions that have been made, and people see thru it because it’s not difficult to see the hypocrisy.
 

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Just based on math it’s 100% certainty that someone in that crowd is positive with corona, and acting irresponsibly simply by being in that crowd. Where did I say they shouldn’t be there? I don’t give a flying fukk if someone sits on those steps for days in mourning, or sits at a football game, or sits at a bar. I don’t give a shyt. It’s their choice. And it should be. But one person contracting the virus at a football game was national news. Won’t be any mention of any contact tracing of anyone at that memorial though. Folks can’t hold family funerals some states still but see hundreds of folks gathering to mourn some 90 year old judge that passed and nothing is said about the possible risks? I can’t go shoot hoops by myself because the rims were removed. It’s “unsafe” yet I can go down the street and stand at a table with 6 people and shoot craps? My buddies bar he owns can’t be open because it’s “not safe” yet the restaurant next to it can pack in 6-8 to a table and it’s no issue? Kids can’t play on playground equipment because it’s a risk, but people have to go teach at schools like bishop Gorman and it’s deemed safe? Once you’re Sitting down in a restaurant its fine to be sans mask, but can’t walk to your table without a mask? There’s no logic or reason in a lot of the decisions that have been made, and people see thru it because it’s not difficult to see the hypocrisy.


it's logical once you realize the goal is to minimize risk of transmission wherever possible. someone walking to a table without wearing a mask while passing others sitting down to eat has a greater chance of exposing others or themselves to the virus than someone wearing a mask and walking by their table. It's a compromise for those who are against any lockdown or wearing masks and to minimize as much damage to the economy as possible while combating the spread of this virus.
 
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