Dave East on The King of New York: "Jay Z and Nas Still Out Here

[Harry B]

Travis Scott and Cole have bigger shows than Jay z and they don’t have to discount their tickets

You don't know basic economics, there's a reason to why Jay-z's tour with 33 dates did 48 million, while Travis did 34 on his 32 and Cole 26 on 36 dates, pricing.

In other news,

Since kicking the off on Nov. 8 in Baltimore, Maryland, the rapper has grossed $34.3 million and sold 485,659 tickets during the first 32 dates of his tour.

The ASTROWORLD Tour marks Scott’s first headlining trek in arenas, following his position as opening act for the Weeknd in 2015, Rihanna in 2016, and Kendrick Lamar in 2017. Scott’s $34.4 million has beat a number of 2017 and 2018 tours, including J. Cole ($25.2 million), Post Malone ($20.9 million), Future ($19.9 million), Childish Gambino ($19.5 million), and Chance the Rapper ($17 million). Lamar’s DAMN. Tour is the only run that has earned more money in North America, having grossed $40.7 million total.

At this point, 21 shows still remain on Scott’s tour before his run ends in Tulsa, Oklahoma on March 26, which gives him more than enough time to pass the $50 million milestone. JAY-Z and Kanye’s recent solo headlining tours grossed $48.7 million and $52.8 million, respectively.

Basically Jay did more than Future and J. Cole combined. It's hard to see what Drake did since he only does tours with other big stars, you'd have to compare that with Jay and Beyonce.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Well who else after Jay and Nas are the current Kings of NY? There’s no other in the past 10 years that could even compete and I’m not talking about competing aganist Jay and Nas, but having the impact and level to claim the king of NY

 

[CrimsonTider]

You don't know basic economics, there's a reason to why Jay-z's tour with 33 dates did 48 million, while Travis did 34 on his 32 and Cole 26 on 36 dates, pricing.

In other news,


Basically Jay did more than Future and J. Cole combined. It's hard to see what Drake did since he only does tours with other big stars, you'd have to compare that with Jay and Beyonce.

No one Drake is touring with helping him pull in significant dollars

drake has the 2 biggest tours in hip hop. Both averaged out to about 2 million a show

Jay z tickets were going for $10 at damn near every venue he performed at. I know that’s the second hand market but the fact remains that Jay-Z ain’t in demand now like the biggest artist in rap

 

[Wacky D]

do new Yorkers even still bump new music by jay & nas??

I feel like that torch been passed 15 years ago, but was never made official.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Rappers are moving backward lyrically. Jay and Nas aren't old school either.

If you want the KONY title you gotta be able to rap at a high level not just be popular. There's not a new artist in the city who can do both.

Jay z and Nas are ancient at this point. Y’all need to get a grip

who is more popular than Hov? who is better than Nas? NYC been stagnant since the late 90's.

Jay z has a bigger fanbase than everyone else. He’s not more popular right now

 

[Harry B]

No one Drake is touring with helping him pull in significant dollars

drake has the 2 biggest tours in hip hop. Both averaged out to about 2 million a show

Jay z tickets were going for $10 at damn near every venue he performed at. I know that’s the second hand market but the fact remains that Jay-Z ain’t in demand now like the biggest artist in rap

Migos and Future and such artists proven to add 20 million + to a tour if not more with that amount of dates. So nah. He even had a co-headline tour with Future with both names appearing as big on the billboard.

Last time Drake did a tour without a mega star in NA, he did 46 million on 66 dates (Weekend on international) after that he also did a European/Australian tour that did 55 on 44 dates (Young Thug).

I'm only posting facts. Now as I said, I believe that a Drake solo would be the biggest solo tour in hiphop. But he's not doing it. Jay and Kanye are the only ones not bringing along mega stars.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Migos and Future are proven to add 20 million + to a tour if not more with that amount of dates. So nah. He even had a co-headline tour with Future with both names appearing as big on the billboard.

Last time Drake did a tour without a mega star in NA, he did 46 million on 66 dates (Weekend on international) after that he also did a European/Australian tour that did 55 on 44 dates (Young Thug).

I'm only posting facts.

You fail to cite that Drake was much bigger on his last 2 tours and did bigger venues

Jay z has never sold out garden 4 nights in a row. You’re talking like Migos and Future do arenas with Drake

anyway, the main point is that Jay z touring is due to his large, core fanbase not cause he’s making huge albums and there’s a feverish rush to see him live

He’s a legacy act at this point, hence the reason I saw the 444 tour for $10

 

[Harry B]

You fail to cite that Drake was much bigger on his last 2 tours and did bigger venues

Jay z has never sold out garden 4 nights in a row. You’re talking like Migos and Future do arenas with Drake

anyway, the main point is that Jay z touring is due to his large, core fanbase not cause he’s making huge albums and there’s a feverish rush to see him live

He’s a legacy act at this point, hence the reason I saw the 444 tour for $10

I did not fail to mention anything, I said Drake's tour was named DRAKE & FUTURE - Summer Sixteen.
Jay sold out Barclays 8 nights in a row btw and as far as legacy, I don't know he's consistently followed in media and consistently talked about. It's hard to see what his album sold since it didn't stream, but it did 174k in traditional sales, ironically more than Drake but that's obviously cause it wasn't on streaming services.

Future's tour just did 20 million like I showed you, Future and Migos sold out Barclays in an hour 2 years ago.


And are you a bot or a person, like I said, 4:44 was one of the best grossing tours per ticket it's called dynamic pricing.
What you do is that you start out with extreme prices and then you estimate re-estimate demand curves continuously to maximize the average price.

Jay-Z is making his concerts cheap—by selling crazy expensive tickets
Taylor Swift's Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?


Now, I'm finished talking about these type of things, seems too advanced for you.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Well who else after Jay and Nas are the current Kings of NY? There’s no other in the past 10 years that could even compete and I’m not talking about competing aganist Jay and Nas, but having the impact and level to claim the king of NY

KONY is something that should seriously be put to bed because the requirements for that sort of title are not things that the public really cares for. This is the era of the vibes and you know what isn’t really required for that? Bars.

I was at Dyckman this summer and a DJ was spinning a Jigga set. After 5-6 songs someone in the crowd was like “cut that shyt off!” And the DJ got replaced by someone who was playing Pop Smoke and DaBaby. These youngins ain’t interested in a title that isn’t really up for grabs

 

[ISO]

do new Yorkers even still bump new music by jay & nas??

I feel like that torch been passed 15 years ago, but was never made official.

If Jay drops the city is going to listen to it. It may not resonate with the kids though obviously.

Nas not so much. I didn't hear Nasir or Lost Tapes 2 outside.

Some veteran rappers like Fabolous, Jim Jones, Styles P, Jadakiss still get love. Anything Fab got a lot of love in this decade from the S.O.U.L. Tapes to the Summertime Shooutout series, I heard nikkas talking about and bumping Styles Beloved project with Dave East that was a lil moment, Jim with El Capo got some love with the more mature audience.

 

[surv2syn]

Well who else after Jay and Nas are the current Kings of NY? There’s no other in the past 10 years that could even compete and I’m not talking about competing aganist Jay and Nas, but having the impact and level to claim the king of NY

not only that but if there is a claim to such an imaginary title, you have to REP NY.

 

[ISO]

With who?

But they actually did...

That's funny?

Exactly.

Yeah, that's funny. Kendrick isn't the king of shyt. And a Kendrick type rapper would never be the KoNY you have to actually resonate in the streets to have such a title.

Kendrick isn't even the King of LA. Nipsey before he died was the heart and soul of LA. I've heard LA posters throughout the years say how Kendrick doesn't even get bump like that. Kendrick himself expressed disappointment at his To Pimp A Butterfly sales in LA.

Kendrick is a dope artist I used to really like his music before he became what he's become. A skilled rapper and a creative dude in general but right now he feels like a product of annointment and industry push rather than organically being that guy.

 

[ISO]

Rappers are moving backward lyrically. Jay and Nas aren't old school either.

If you want the KONY title you gotta be able to rap at a high level not just be popular. There's not a new artist in the city who can do both.

These new kids aren't rapping like that breh its over for that.

Today's rapper is more worried about melodies, one liners/quotables, vibes, ad libs, flows, hooks, production. Some of these kids aren't bad for bar for bar but it isn't the main focus of the music. What is traditionally considered rapping at a high level isn't popular. When Drake, J. Cole, Kendrick become flabby I don't know who is going to take over as the mainstream "spitters".

The most popular young rappers among the youth in NY are guys like A-Boogie, Lil TJay, Lil Tecca, J.I., T.J. Porter, Jay Critch, Jay Gwuapo and the guys coming out the Brooklyn drill scene like 22G'z, Pop Smoke, Fivio Foreign, Sheff G, Sleepy Hallow, Jay Dee, Nas Blicky, etc.

A rapper like Dave East is one of the last of the Mohicans. You got others like Don Q, Young Zay, Neek Bucks, Nino Man, Envy Caine who don't get as much love.

Even when you go to Philly outside of Meek, the biggest rappers are Lil Uzi and PnB Rock. Even Meek has had to adjust his songmaking. Then you got guys like Kur who primarily raps and makes classic Philly soul pain music who is relegated to the street lane.

 

[Shadow King]

Yeah, that's funny. Kendrick isn't the king of shyt. And a Kendrick type rapper would never be the KoNY you have to actually resonate in the streets to have such a title.

Kendrick isn't even the King of LA. Nipsey before he died was the heart and soul of LA. I've heard LA posters throughout the years say how Kendrick doesn't even get bump like that. Kendrick himself expressed disappointment at his To Pimp A Butterfly sales in LA.

Kendrick is a dope artist I used to really like his music before he became what he's become. A skilled rapper and a creative dude in general but right now he feels like a product of annointment and industry push rather than organically being that guy.

Well until a NY rapper comes through with Kendrick's skill and creativity and popularity, I'll wait to get the joke. But then again NY doesn't value skilled rappers anymore so...

 

[ISO]

Well until a NY rapper comes through with Kendrick's skill and creativity and popularity, I'll wait to get the joke. But then again NY doesn't value skilled rappers anymore so...

Joey BADA$$ is as skilled and creative as Kendrick. He just independent and don't got the Interscope machine behind him.

Kendrick's presence is barely felt in this shyt