Dave East on The King of New York: "Jay Z and Nas Still Out Here

[ISO]

We had a Mexican making metal drill songs

This shyt too different nowadays

 

[010101]

Facts

Most of the that post here don't understand this type of shyt

it's become the #1 genre now because it went from being without melody to being centered on it

where before you had to be able to relate culturally or have an interest in trying to understand something completely foreign to you

now even if you don't get the content you still can feel the vibe

it can now catch from the babies to foreign language speakers

let it be what it is there's something for everyone out there

love it or leave it alone ha

*

 

[Bolzmark]

It's never gonna be rappers like them again and it's not just a NY thing either.

What y'all see now is the evolution of rap. The guys who are out now are the ones taking it to "another level".

I guess when I hear the word evolution, I think something got better or advanced. The fact is the Jays ans Nas's are an advancement of the Rakims and BDK's. Where are the advancements of Jay and Nas?

 

[Shadow King]

I guess when I hear the word evolution, I think something got better or advanced. The fact is the Jays ans Nas's are an advancement of the Rakims and BDK's. Where are the advancements of Jay and Nas?

He's going to tell you it's A-Boogie

 

[ISO]

I guess when I hear the word evolution, I think something got better or advanced. The fact is the Jays ans Nas's are an advancement of the Rakims and BDK's. Where are the advancements of Jay and Nas?

He's going to tell you it's A-Boogie

Like I said better is relative.
Why are Jay and Nas always mentioned? Nikkas didn't come after them now?

Also, I'm talking about a stylistic evolution that goes well beyond NY. But y'all wanna talk about nikkas that rapped in the 80's.

A-Boogie was born in 1995. He was either a child or not born at all when Nas and Jay were dropping their career defining projects. Nas and Jay are not his main influences. Nas and Jay were past their primes when A-Boogie was growing up. A-Boogie influences are people like 50 Cent, Drake, Max B which is where he got this melodic sing rap style.

Jay Z literally 2 years younger than Rakim and BDK. Nas was in the studio when Rakim and Kool G Rap was recording their classics. It was much more of a generational overlap back then. It's not comparable. Again, nobody is rapping like that anywhere. The young boys ain't on that shyt.

 

[Shadow King]

Like I said better is relative.
Why are Jay and Nas always mentioned? Nikkas didn't come after them now?

Also, I'm talking about a stylistic evolution that goes well beyond NY. But y'all wanna talk about nikkas that rapped in the 80's.

A-Boogie was born in 1995. He was either a child or not born at all when Nas and Jay were dropping their career defining projects. Nas and Jay are not his main influences. Nas and Jay were past their primes when A-Boogie was growing up. A-Boogie influences are people like 50 Cent, Drake, Max B which is where he got this melodic sing rap style.

Jay Z literally 2 years younger than Rakim and BDK. Nas was in the studio when Rakim and Kool G Rap was recording their classics. It was much more of a generational overlap back then. It's not comparable. Again, nobody is rapping like that anywhere. The young boys ain't on that shyt.

Jay and Nas are being mentioned because no one advanced the standard for a rapper's skillset while having an equal level of success/popularity, something left behind by Biggie. I don't know why this is hard to get. The closest you can say is 50 who was an average rapper.

The styles changed because New York (and a lot of the game period) has been biting the South/ATL since they blew up, particularly NY because the competitive field had nikkas doing what they felt would bring hits and plaques.

You're a year older than him (myself 2 years) and know and respect those artists. So being born in 95 is not excuse.

And better can't be relative when you yourself are saying nikkas aren't even doing what they're supposed to be "evolving"...if they aren't rapping like that, how is rap evolving? But since better is relative, A Boogie and his NY clones are better than Jay and Nas? Or even the cats after them who you say we're skipping?

 

[ISO]

What exactly is there left to advance from the template set by Nas and Jay?

I'm not understanding this.

 

[Evil Grandson]

Jay and Nas are being mentioned because no one advanced the standard for a rapper's skillset while having an equal level of success/popularity, something left behind by Biggie. I don't know why this is hard to get. The closest you can say is 50 who was an average rapper.

The styles changed because New York (and a lot of the game period) has been biting the South/ATL since they blew up, particularly NY because the competitive field had nikkas doing what they felt would bring hits and plaques.

You're a year older than him (myself 2 years) and know and respect those artists. So being born in 95 is not excuse.

And better can't be relative when you yourself are saying nikkas aren't even doing what they're supposed to be "evolving"...if they aren't rapping like that, how is rap evolving? But since better is relative, A Boogie and his NY clones are better than Jay and Nas? Or even the cats after them who you say we're skipping?

I mean Nas and Hov aint advance sht when Biggie left.


DMX and 50 had massive success. Both were bigger than Jay in Jay's absolute prime. NYC has had success post-jay and nas. The main issue is nobody uses NY's sound anymore because sht is boring

 

[ISO]

Jay and Nas are being mentioned because no one advanced the standard for a rapper's skillset while having an equal level of success/popularity, something left behind by Biggie. I don't know why this is hard to get. The closest you can say is 50 who was an average rapper.

The styles changed because New York (and a lot of the game period) has been biting the South/ATL since they blew up, particularly NY because the competitive field had nikkas doing what they felt would bring hits and plaques.

You're a year older than him (myself 2 years) and know and respect those artists. So being born in 95 is not excuse.

And better can't be relative when you yourself are saying nikkas aren't even doing what they're supposed to be "evolving"...if they aren't rapping like that, how is rap evolving? But since better is relative, A Boogie and his NY clones are better than Jay and Nas? Or even the cats after them who you say we're skipping?

I'm telling you this is the advancement of everything not just Nas and Jay. This is the advancement of the foundation that was set when this shyt all first started.

What makes 50 just an "average" rapper? Don't matter how "average" you think he is. He directly influenced the new generation.

Who said A-Boogie doesn't respect Nas and Jay? Who says I don't? The fact of the matter is them nikkas was before his time and not his influences.

Also, they are rapping not just rapping as you know it. A lot of this stuff bar for bar isn't even bad it's just delivered in a different way. When I say they aren't rapping like that I mean rapping in the traditional sense as we grew up knowing it.

Why does Lil Durk not rap like Common Sense?

Why does Lil Baby not rap like Andre 3000?

How come XXXtentacion didn't rap like Rick Ross?

Why does Roddy Rich not rap like Ice Cube?

Why does Lil Uzi not rap like Beanie Sigel?

Why does Travis Scott not rap like Bun B?

How come they didn't advance the skillset?

Are they better? Like I said the shyt is relative they're for sure different just like in every era of music artists was different from their predecessors.

 

[Shadow King]

I'm telling you this is the advancement of everything not just Nas and Jay. This is the advancement of the foundation that was set when this shyt all first started.

What makes 50 just an "average" rapper? Don't matter how "average" you think he is. He directly influenced the new generation.

Who said A-Boogie doesn't respect Nas and Jay? Who says I don't? The fact of the matter is them nikkas was before his time and not his influences.

Also, they are rapping not just rapping as you know it. When I say they aren't rapping like that I mean rapping in the traditional sense as we grew up knowing it.

Why does Lil Durk not rap like Common Sense?

Why does Future not rap like Andre 3000?

How come XXXtentacion didn't rap like Rick Ross?

Why does Roddy Rich not rap like Ice Cube?

Why does Lil Uzi not rap like Beanie Sigel?

Why does Travis Scott not rap like Bun B?

How come they didn't advance the skillset?

Are they better? Like I said the shyt is relative they're for sure different just like in every era of music artists was different from their predecessors.

Breh 50 is average as a rapper. I don't even know why that needs to be argued.

And none of these dudes being inferior to their predecessors is unique to New York, correct. You know the title King of New York has held weight due to it meaning you were best of the origin/Mecca of the genre. If you say the title no longer holds weight, fine, but when the last element of the genre is no longer valued even in it's birthplace, that's an issue. If these new nikkas is so innovative and "evolved" why can't they stand on their own feet and claim a new genre?

And none of this answers if he or his like is better or not. You keep hiding behind "relative". Even subjective things are subject to objective opinions/facts. So an answer shouldn't be that hard. It's better or it's not...

I mean Nas and Hov aint advance sht when Biggie left.


DMX and 50 had massive success. Both were bigger than Jay in Jay's absolute prime. NYC has had success post-jay and nas. The main issue is nobody uses NY's sound anymore because sht is boring

And Jay and Nas had similar success while staying consistent as those 2 burned out. And your last sentence already tells me where your mind so I shouldn't even have responded.

 

[spliz]

He named after Stringer Bell its clear he stuck in another dimension he not worth the time

This king shyt only happens for NY. I never seen a thread saying yo whose the king of LA rn? Who running Atlanta? Whose the king of Chicago?

That’s cause NY is the Mecca.

 

[spliz]

do new Yorkers even still bump new music by jay & nas??

I feel like that torch been passed 15 years ago, but was never made official.

To who? nikkas not from NY need to stop speaking on it. And young ignorant nikkas need to fall back and listen before speaking.

 

[spliz]

For the new generation, for where hip-hop is going, and what young people nationwide are rocking with A-Boogie wit da Hoodie is the KoNY

A Boogie wit the Hoodie ain’t no god damn King of NY I don’t give a fukk how much buzz he got and I fukk wit Boogie heavy.

 

[spliz]

The guys that come out as "spitters" y'all call generic because y'all "heard it before". The young nikkas that bring innovation using the voice as an instrument and bringing a new approach to song writing y'all hate on.

Funny how that works

Not true. A lot of the “spitters” that come out sound like what would have been generic mixtape rappers from 03. None of these new nikkas is kings of shyt because they ain’t better nor more successful than the guys before them. Especially considering those guys are still alive.

 

[ISO]

Breh 50 is average as a rapper. I don't even know why that needs to be argued.

And none of these dudes being inferior to their predecessors is unique to New York, correct. You know the title King of New York has held weight due to it meaning you were best of the origin/Mecca of the genre. If you say the title no longer holds weight, fine, but when the last element of the genre is no longer valued even in it's birthplace, that's an issue. If these new nikkas is so innovative and "evolved" why can't they stand on their own feet and claim a new genre?

And none of this answers if he or his like is better or not. You keep hiding behind "relative". Even subjective things are subject to objective opinions/facts. So an answer shouldn't be that hard. It's better or it's not...

And Jay and Nas had similar success while staying consistent as those 2 burned out. And your last sentence already tells me where your mind so I shouldn't even have responded.

I don't think 50 is "average".

I disagree that the last element of the genre is no longer valued. Y'all just can't accept change and to be honest maybe the youngings should claim a new genre