David chase finally confirms tony soprano got killed

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You right that could be true as well. But if Tony lives and it gets out butchie gave him the greenlight. What do you think happens? Butchie is as good as dead. The other families will kill him because they wouldn’t want their underlyings getting any ideas. Even though they don’t give one personal fukk about Phil. Butchie only play would be to kill Tony as soon as Phil gets wacked and blame it on the war.
I understand what you're saying but the other families wouldn't go to war just because a underboss killed their boss. In real life what would've happened is Butch would've polled the other bosses or the bosses would've accepted it.

In real life John Gotti killed Paul Castellano "without permission" and yes the Genovese's went after him and tried to kill him twice then dropped it.
 

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he doesnt know.

in the conversation over the phone when butchie ends up in chinatown they make it clear butchie doesnt know where phil is.

then at the sit down they pretend like they know and “cant go there” :mjlol:
exactly. Why would be let Phil be out there if he already betrayed him. Chances are Phill would've killed Butch if he suspected that he was dragging his feet on killing Tone, which he kinda aleady suspected.
 

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I understand what you're saying but the other families wouldn't go to war just because a underboss killed their boss. In real life what would've happened is Butch would've polled the other bosses or the bosses would've accepted it.

In real life John Gotti killed Paul Castellano "without permission" and yes the Genovese's went after him and tried to kill him twice then dropped it.
I understand what you're saying but the other families wouldn't go to war just because a underboss killed their boss. In real life what would've happened is Butch would've polled the other bosses or the bosses would've accepted it.

In real life John Gotti killed Paul Castellano "without permission" and yes the Genovese's went after him and tried to kill him twice then dropped it.
Gotti had a lot of power and connections when he did that and look still almost got wacked. I highly doubt butchie did. Even when Carmine sr wanted John wacked he asked Tony to do it so vaguely he could never be linked to it any way. That was his underboss too which wouldn’t have been obviously as big of a deal. When John wanted carmine sr wack he begged Tony. When Tony wouldn’t he dropped it instead of hiring someone to do it. John and carmine sr had much more connections and power then butchie did as well
 

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Gotti had a lot of power and connections when he did that and look still almost got wacked. I highly doubt butchie did. Even when Carmine sr wanted John wacked he asked Tony to do it so vaguely he could never be linked to it any way. That was his underboss too which wouldn’t have been obviously as big of a deal. When John wanted carmine sr wack he begged Tony. When Tony wouldn’t he dropped it instead of hiring someone to do it. John and carmine sr had much more connections and power then butchie did as well
You got a point Butchie didn't seem to have any connections to Jersey himself and couldn't stand them
 

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Had to do something to deflect from that crap-ass prequel...


This the Prequel was all over the place.

Ralph said that him Jackie and Sil were school friends that had their own little crew and that Jackie suggested that they rob Feech's card game.

So How was Sil hanging around dikkie? Also p*ssy a Paulie were older than Tone but Paul was older than p*ssy and Sil said that some meaning Paul was around before the beginning.

It also would've made more sense that the Black dude working for dikkie would've been Willie Overall, They made some street gang kid an Overall but not Willie who was Tone's first hit.

They tried to shoehorn too much shyt into the movie.
 

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I remember reading this incredible dissertation someone wrote on the final scene. I wish I could find it.

It was incredibly long and detailed but it basically broke the argument down to the fact that everytime the bell on the door chimes when someone would walk in, the camera would switch to Tony's POV, and the final chime that switches to Tony's POV is all black cause he's dead


They obviously wrote it a lot better than I did there, but it made alot of sense and that's what I always went with
I remember reading this too (Im thinking it was the same piece), it was really well done and was helpful providing some closure on the ending
 

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This the Prequel was all over the place.

Ralph said that him Jackie and Sil were school friends that had their own little crew and that Jackie suggested that they rob Feech's card game.

So How was Sil hanging around dikkie? Also p*ssy a Paulie were older than Tone but Paul was older than p*ssy and Sil said that some meaning Paul was around before the beginning.

It also would've made more sense that the Black dude working for dikkie would've been Willie Overall, They made some street gang kid an Overall but not Willie who was Tone's first hit.

They tried to shoehorn too much shyt into the movie.

It really just needed to be a limited series and it could have been dope.
 

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It really just needed to be a limited series and it could have been dope.
exactly. the series was written as a movie then expanded to a show, the movie was written as a series and cut down to a movie.

dikkie fukked his father mistress and no one in that gossiping ass crew said nothing?
 
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