Defense proving how overrated the QB position is

[yseJ]

Bottom line is yeah you have to have a great defense to win but that isn't enough. Other then last year's Broncos and the 2000 Ravens no other team has won SBs that way

I'm not saying you can have a complete dysfunctional offense and won the sb

But you surely don't need a world beater at qb. Bucs in 02, giants in 07, steelers in 05, Pats in 01, Seattle in 14 all relied on their defense heavily to win their superbowls. Most of the qbs in these wins had similar performances or worse to what alex smith had in that damn giants game

Big Ben had 9 completions out of 21 attempts with 2 picks and zero touchdowns and 120 yards in the 05 sb. If you consider it NOT winning with defense, you're just intellectually dishonest

 

[Trip]

You are again moving the goalposts. I asked you why overpay for qb position if it doesn't correlate to winning? Simple question. Once steelers defense stopped being good they stopped winning. Steelers built around defense were factually better teams with more success than those centered around the qb. Once saints d started being shyt it didn't matter having an elite qb in there, did it?

You've yet to answer this very simple question. Part of me hopes it's because you now understand that 'qb iz thee best position because look big arm just give him whatever he wants' is not an acceptable answer.

Winning? Like winning the Super Bowl? Yeah only one team can win a year and it's a single elimination tournament.To say the Steerlers don't win anymore is a bit misleading as they make the playoffs and will make it again this year.

Saying the Steelers were better when their defense was better is a captain obvious statement.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I'm not saying you can have a complete dysfunctional offense and won the sb

But you surely don't need a world beater at qb.

You sound like Dave Wannstedt who thought that when he traded for A.J. Feeley



You need a great team. and yes you need a great QB.. The market for great QB in todays game is like $20 million but that is due to the monstrous TV deals the NFL signed. That's the goin rate..

The onus is on the teams to scout and draft well but if they wanna give Ryan Tannehill $20 million per year that's on the team

 

[Trip]

Bottom line is yeah you have to have a great defense to win but that isn't enough. Other then last year's Broncos and the 2000 Ravens no other team has won SBs that way

Cassell wasn't on the 2010 Packers and neither was Mike Rumph...that was a random ass what if

Flynn would be the QB if Rodgers had to miss time and I'm guessing Shields would have replaced Woodson

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Cassell wasn't on the 2010 Packers and neither was Mike Rumph...that was a random ass what if

I know that

I just used Cassell as an example

 

[Trip]

I know that

I just used Cassell as an example

Think about it though...bigger drop off over 16 games Rodgers to Flynn or Woodson to Shields? Replacement value is getting lost here.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Think about it though...bigger drop off over 16 games Rodgers to Flynn or Woodson to Shields? Replacement value is getting lost here.

Well Rodgers and Woodson are two Hall of Famers..

It's hard to replace all time greats

 

[yseJ]

You sound like Dave Wannstedt who thought that when he traded for A.J. Feeley



You need a great team. and yes you need a great QB.. The market for great QB in todays game is like $20 million but that is due to the monstrous TV deals the NFL signed. That's the goin rate..

The onus is on the teams to scout and draft well but if they wanna give Ryan Tannehill $20 million per year that's on the team

finally you manage to assemble some sort of an answer; unfortunately its the cliche answer 'because its the going rate' and justify it with tv deal

so they're overpaid because its the going rate and if the going rate is 30 mil, why not just give them that money huh
football is a game of value. know many stock traders who made anything by buying and selling at market value instead of buying low and selling high?

again, why is von miller- a player who had huge impact on the broncos SB win, getting less than jay cutler or alex smith if theres no correlation between qbs and winning ?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

again, why is von miller- a player who had huge impact on the broncos SB win, getting less than jay cutler or alex smith if theres no correlation between qbs and winning ?

Cause Von Miller doesn't touch the ball on every play While he is an incredible pass rusher he still doesn't touch the ball and effect the game the way a great QB does

 

[yseJ]

Cassell wasn't on the 2010 Packers and neither was Mike Rumph...that was a random ass what if

Flynn would be the QB if Rodgers had to miss time and I'm guessing Shields would have replaced Woodson

Im not the one who brought the what if, and I replied with as ridiculous a 'what if'.

 

[yseJ]

Cause Von Miller doesn't touch the ball on every play While he is an incredible pass rusher he still doesn't touch the ball and effect the game the way a great QB does

a center touches the ball on every play too. I guess mediocre centers need to be paid more than von miller huh ?

jay cutler alex smith and matt stafford arent 'great' qbs at all. and theyre getting more than von miller. get the fukk outta here.

youre never going to win this argument with me breh. Ive been doing this for decade. and recent trends only solidify the qb position as the most overrated overhyped and overpaid

Im sure there are people thinking carson wentz is the main reason eagle are winning while their defense is holding opposing offenses, including big ben and steelers offense, to 9 points per game

 

[yseJ]

Winning? Like winning the Super Bowl? Yeah only one team can win a year and it's a single elimination tournament.To say the Steerlers don't win anymore is a bit misleading as they make the playoffs and will make it again this year.

Saying the Steelers were better when their defense was better is a captain obvious statement.

if you agree steelers success was predicated (factually) on their defenses being great, why build around qb and not the defense ? answer the fukking question.

 

[Trip]

if you agree steelers success was predicated (factually) on their defenses being great, why build around qb and not the defense ? answer the fukking question.

The Steelers success since Ben has been there has been due to them having great teams, Ben included.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by build around the defense- how are they not doing that now? 5 of their last 6 first round picks have been defense.

 

[Trip]

Im sure there are people thinking carson wentz is the main reason eagle are winning while their defense is holding opposing offenses, including big ben and steelers offense, to 9 points per game

I'd be careful making these sweeping generalizations on a 3 game sample that included the Bears and Browns.

 

[yseJ]

I'd be careful making these sweeping generalizations on a 3 game sample that included the Bears and Browns.

defense holding three teams to 27 points total in 3 games SO FAR is not a generalization, its a factual statement