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Let me preface this by saying I do not like Newsom and I will likely not vote for Newsom. But I feel like I recall you telling cacmamba that we shouldn't let fox news republicans set parameters for democrats.

We shouldn't which is why newsome shouldn't be the choice. Newsome whole ideology is to be desired by Fox News. my centrist brother said it best below.





Newsome would be a horrible pick we may as well get ready for legit swatikas in 2032, the blow back from him will be massive from both sides tm

I think there are plenty of valid reasons to be skeptical of Newsom. I just don't believe that Fox News not liking him is one of them. I can't imagine a circumstanc in which Newsom takes an L to Vance. But crzier things have happened. I don't think being excited about Newskme means you want republicans to win it just means youre probably an idiot.



It does he's a diet republican who will only lead to even further right revolt



Who the hell is newsome audience?
 

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I’m of the mindset that we shouldn’t even be floating Newsom as a potential candidate right now. My thought process is that we should be clear that he’s not someone we’d support. Politically, he’s positioned more to the center than many Democrats currently want, and he doesn’t match the moment or the kind of transformational candidate people are looking for.He’s publicly opposed to abolishing ICE, and he’s taken positions on immigration enforcement that many democrat pollsters strongly disagree with. Recently, he signaled he might veto California legislation aimed at limiting cooperation with ICE, which only reinforces that he’s not aligned with the direction many voters want. He might have made sense as a candidate in 2020, but 2028 is a very different landscape.

Well, to your point, he does have an interesting relationship with Tech as well, so he’s definitely someone to keep an eye on.
 

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I’m genuinely trying to understand your position, what exactly is your ideological commitment to Israel? I’m not asking this to be a d*ck; it just seems inconsistent with the rest of your posts. You rarely discuss foreign policy, and you’ve mentioned before that you don’t really follow it closely.


So I’m curious: what are your reasons for supporting a relationship with Israel beyond the fact that it’s been the historical status quo?
Idgaf about Isreal nor am I delusional enough to believe that a candidate needs to reject Isreal to be a good president
 

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Who the hell is newsome audience?
This is just a guess because I don't personally know any Newsom supporters despite living in CA. People that want to go back to interacting with politics passively. White people, AIPAC supporters Daily Show viewers, run of the mill libs, etc.

Director at my work her assistant and a secretary were fawning over him being in town recently. Two women and a (I assume) gay dude.

I think the average democrat wants someone that appears respectable regardless of their actual policy beliefs. This is in contrast to trump's erratic behavior and all the other shyt that comes along with it being a feature not a bug.
 

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I love how the obfuscation turned it from if we are down to Newsome and Vance who are you picking to we need to make newsome not even be an option when he clearly is running whether anonymous message board users want him to or not :dead:

Again I’m glad people are just giving us a heads up now that clearly they are okay with what is happening right now and not playing coy anymore

Hasan is gearing up his mindless cult for another run through the algo machine to hurt the people they allegedly care about, again
 

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This is just a guess because I don't personally know any Newsom supporters despite living in CA. People that want to go back to interacting with politics passively. White people, AIPAC supporters Daily Show viewers, run of the mill libs, etc.

Director at my work her assistant and a secretary were fawning over him being in town recently. Two women and a (I assume) gay dude.

I think the average democrat wants someone that appears respectable regardless of their actual policy beliefs. This is in contrast to trump's erratic behavior and all the other shyt that comes along with it being a feature not a bug.
I'm not convinced some of those voters even are a fan of newsome specifically independents, I'd argue out of all the choices even other ones I hate ( shapiro) newsome would be the worst candidate we could attach the party to over the next 4 years. If the next election is free and fair it will be a layup so this will be the opportunity to actually push through a strong candidate that will be transformational the next 8 years, instead of someone who will lose in 4 to another fascist regime. JD Vance isn't a concern to me at all, what's a concern to me is after trump dems have a 12 month run way
 

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I'm with you on all this, I've never like Gavin Newsom at any point in his career. But we are seeing a preview of how dangerous things can get on the ground with the wrong administration in place. People are literally getting shot in the head for exercising their rights, immigrants are being put in concentration camps, we are starting stupid conflicts, etc.

I hope we can all hold our noses and vote for alternatives to MAGA even if they are not our ideal candidates. We got lucky in a way that the incumbent is an idiot. JD Vance is not an idiot, I hope we can all recognize that threat.
Vance is literally a Thiel puppet, anyone who thinks that isn’t worth voting against when Newsom is the alternative shouldn’t be taken serious.


The fact that Hasan can’t see the danger we’re facing shows that he doesn’t deserve his influence
 

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I'd argue out of all the choices even other ones I hate ( shapiro) newsome would be the worst candidate we could attach the party to over the next 4 years.
Sure. But that's on the other candidates. Newsom has been the most transparent about his ambitions and that has resulted in him being seen as the frontrunner. Everyone else is being coy.

Pritzker, Buttigieg, Harris, AOC, Shapiro, etc. It's not clear who of these people are running. There's no doubt that Newsom is.
 

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Vance is literally a Thiel puppet, anyone who thinks that isn’t worth voting against when Newsom is the alternative shouldn’t be taken serious.


The fact that Hasan can’t see the danger we’re facing shows that he doesn’t deserve his influence
Or that he’s getting paid handsomely by someone like his uncle :whoa:

We’ve said over and over again Newsome has been controlling the mic and just off name recognition he is gonna get a shyt ton of votes for being the guy memeing Trump

If you want to stop him it’s time for somebody else to take the mic from him now. Otherwise don’t complain when people who don’t aren’t into this shyt every day vote for him
 

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I love how the obfuscation turned it from if we are down to Newsome and Vance who are you picking to we need to make newsome not even be an option when he clearly is running whether anonymous message board users want him to or not :dead:

Again I’m glad people are just giving us a heads up now that clearly they are okay with what is happening right now and not playing coy anymore

Hasan is gearing up his mindless cult for another run through the algo machine to hurt the people they allegedly care about, again
If Hasan isn’t a Trojan horse for the Republicans then I can’t think of how they would craft a better one
 

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Vance is literally a Thiel puppet, anyone who thinks that isn’t worth voting against when Newsom is the alternative shouldn’t be taken serious.
There are plenty of hands up Newsom's ass as well. I think it is incumbent on Newsom to do a better job articulating how/why he is a better alternative to Vance that is beyond "Trump". Newsom shows up on the same podcasts, is courting the same voters, Is sharing opinions about ICE that people are claiming are out of step with the party. If he becomes the nominee he should at least earn it.
 

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There are plenty of hands up Newsom's ass as well. I think it is incumbent on Newsom to do a better job articulating how/why he is a better alternative to Vance that is beyond "Trump". Newsom shows up on the same podcasts, is courting the same voters, Is sharing opinions about ICE that people are claiming are out of step with the party. If he becomes the nominee he should at least earn it.
Thiel is worse than any of Newsom’s handlers. Do some research
 

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Vance is literally a Thiel puppet, anyone who thinks that isn’t worth voting against when Newsom is the alternative shouldn’t be taken serious.


The fact that Hasan can’t see the danger we’re facing shows that he doesn’t deserve his influence
Newsome is literally a reid hoffman puppet, what are you arguing here ? Once again our choices shouldn't be between two dog shyt puppets, we could fight against that now
 

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Newsome is literally a reid hoffman puppet, what are you arguing here ? Once again our choices shouldn't be between two dog shyt puppets, we could fight against that now
No one is saying Newsom is their first choice. The distinction is that if the general election is between Newsom and Vance, Newsom is the far better choice.

I’m not familiar with Reid Hoffman, how is Hoffman’s political ideology comparable to Thiels?
 
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