Democratic Party Rebuild
- Thread starter the next guy
- Start date
They want a change of the members, but they dont want to reflect the political losses on issues we had or the shifts in the voting coalition we had.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
The entire reason we keep having this back and forth is because you and your ilk believe the political landscape is black and white with MAGA as the bad guys and the Democrats as the good guys, so anything the former does is by definition bad and anything the latter does is by definition good. When your beliefs are guided by morality, the primary factor in determining virtue is the action, not the actor. Aiding and abetting genocide doesn't only become bad when it's done by the "bad guys". In fact, it makes the people doing it the bad guys.
This relates to the thread topic because the Democratic Party will never find its way out of the wilderness unless they divest themselves of the uncritical stanning that people like you keep giving them. They can't see their mistakes because they have a committed phalanx of people like you telling them they're not the problem, it's the voters who don't want to vote for their weak ass agenda that are the problem. Your preferred position is for people to just vote D no matter what, which is why you respond to criticisms of the Democratic Party by complaining about why these people aren't criticizing the Republican Party (who they're not supporting either) instead. The mistake you Centrist Libs keep making is assuming you can artificially set the political playing field around your milquetoast issue set, so suppressing criticism of the Democratic Party when they do bad things will lead to people voting for them out of ignorance. But when presented with two dogshyt options, people will just continue to tune out, man. The solution is to hit the gym and get fit instead of getting mad at people for not liking your ugly incel ass.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
1) Kamala wasn’t a dog shyt option. Her policy platform was Gold in comparison to Trump’s
2) My issue isn’t with criticizing the democrats in good faith, it’s going out of your way to blame the democrats for Trump’s fascism
3) I don’t have an issue with all Gaza protestors, my issue was the individuals who abstained to vote for Kamala over Gaza when Trump was on the ballot.
Kamala also didn’t directly aid and abide a genocide. it’s disingenuous to automatically assume Kamala would do the same as Biden in regards to Gaza but give Trump grace because of his first term.
4) you continue to paint me as a centrist because you lazily strawman my argument. You can call me a pragmatist not a centrist. A lot of the policy positions I’d like the democrats to adopt definitely aren’t centrist.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Kamala wasn't just running against Trump, she was running against the couch. And losing to the latter made her lose to the former.
People aren't blaming the Democrats for Trump's fascism, they're blaming the Democrats for failing to be an effective counter to Trump's fascism because they're too far up their own ass and too deep in their donors' pockets.
Sure, I understand you're making that differentiation. My points are about the Democratic Party and leadership de-motivating people to not vote by refusing to adopt a strong agenda. You seem to believe running as not-Trump should be enough, but it isn't. You need to tell people how you're better. And that becomes more difficult when you're committed to doing jack shyt because you kowtow to your donors and have no moral weight behind your politics.
It would have been wonderful if Kamala made this point herself. But she didn't. It's not disingenuous at all, she said she wouldn't do anything different from Biden and banned Palestinians from appearing on stage at her DNC. You may have been willing to read the tea leaves and intuit she had a super secret plan to change the Biden-Harris administration's policy on this matter even though she said she wouldn't, but everyone else was taking her at her word.
I'm calling you a centrist because you keep advocating for the Party to abandon leftist activists and voters because they're not loyal enough to stomach supporting genocide. I would accept you calling yourself a pragmatist if the Democrats didn't just receive an electoral asswhooping by running a campaign eschewing the very people you're calling for them to disregard. The Harris campaign ran your playbook and suffered a historic loss. That's not very pragmatic, to me.
I'm not going to question your desires to see the Democrats adopt non-centrist policy positions (other than refusing to aid and abet a genocide), but the path of excommunicating the anti-war coalition from the Democratic Party ranks will not lead to a more progressive party, it will lead to more Liz Cheneys and Adam Kinzingers infiltrating the party.
KFBF
Superstar
Didn't she say as much?
“There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of — and I’ve been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact,” she said, going on to talk about the administration’s work capping the cost of insulin at $35 for Medicare recipients.
She appeared to backtrack on that answer later in the show.
“You asked me what is the difference between Joe Biden and me — that will be one of the differences. I’m going to have a Republican in my Cabinet,” she said, reiterating a pledge she made during a CNN interview in August.
This would seem to imply she was ok with the decisions he made oh except she wanted to include a republican in her cabinet.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
There’s been reports that Biden told her not to criticize his administration. Anyone who wasn’t looking for reasons not to vote for Kamala could have inferred that
Last edited:
Its too late,the "radicalization" is already occuring.
Its time champ,points were already proven through #BothSides,loud and clear. What should we do,just remain BothSides for another 4 years? That would be us saying our point wasnt proven. Time to move into a stronger policy/concrete ideas era in my humble opinion. Remember,the Tea Party was once an outlier marginalized group who were unclaimed by Republicans. They essentially became MAGA which is now the Republican party
Inevitably the Democrats will come to and conform to us as black men#TheKey
Special shout out to @Outlaw @Loose for urging me to make this thread
We told you this L was a win win situation. The Tea Party formed when Republicans lost and Obama won. The same splintering is happening now with this massive Kamala/Democratic failure,and has been happening. This is why ive been saying we need to get together as black men and be at the forefront of this thing
The thought leaders of Tea Party/MAGA was simply based on who was first to be the loudest and get the most attention. Its imperative that that be us. Or it will be someone else who will probably have goofy ideas like the Tea Party did,who you will be forced to conform to,or be left out because they got the juice.
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
Morals and pragmatism don't mix.
The irony in accusing people in being binary in their political ideals, something that very much necessitates nuance, but going on to sing the virtues of a strictly binary concept in morality in the same breath is wild work.
If ones politics are based strictly on morals, they'll rarely find themselves on the "good" side.
The irony in accusing people in being binary in their political ideals, something that very much necessitates nuance, but going on to sing the virtues of a strictly binary concept in morality in the same breath is wild work.
If ones politics are based strictly on morals, they'll rarely find themselves on the "good" side.
I forgot she said this bs
These arguments seem pointless. Seems like people are in denial that the country is cooked 
whether you run progressives or moderates Republicans still control social media and will just cheat anyway
Until something is done about social media and voter suppression Dems will lose regardless of policy or how far left/right their candidates are
whether you run progressives or moderates Republicans still control social media and will just cheat anywayUntil something is done about social media and voter suppression Dems will lose regardless of policy or how far left/right their candidates are
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
And what was her response, as a person running to be President of the United States? Did she acquiesce and subordinate herself to the very Biden Administration you're claiming she separated herself from, or did she tell him to fukk off and publicly strike out a different position than him?
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
Yes I’m sure Kamala telling Biden to fukk off publicly and risking Biden acting in a spiteful way that could have potentially sabotaged her fragile campaign would be good strategy.
You’re adding more evidence to the pile as to why Democrats should ignore the puritans who abstain to vote going forward. Y’all care more about moral theatre than understanding the nuance it takes to succeed in politics.