Democratic Party Rebuild

[KFBF]

She said she wouldn't break with Biden but we're supposed to infer that she would. Ok.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

She is a gotdamn liar. The mainstream media has a long-standing bias towards "both sides" narratives and a fetish for centrism. They love presenting compromise as inherently virtuous, even when one side is operating in bad faith and actively undermining democratic norms.

 

[King Kreole]

Yes I’m sure Kamala telling Biden to fukk off publicly and risking Biden acting in a spiteful way that could have potentially sabotaged her fragile campaign would be good strategy.

You’re adding more evidence to the pile as to why Democrats should ignore the puritans who abstain to vote going forward. Y’all care more about moral theatre than understanding the nuance it takes to succeed in politics.

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say it's disingenuous to say Kamala didn't suitably separate herself from the actions of the Biden Administration, and when you're shown that she didn't separate herself from the Biden Administration, you say of course she didn't separate herself because it would have ruined her campaign. She showed political cowardice and was punished for it.

The nuance you claim is needed to succeed in politics just led Democrats to lose the popular vote for the first time in 20 years to an established piece of shyt moron.

 

[wire28]

Yes I’m sure Kamala telling Biden to fukk off publicly and risking Biden acting in a spiteful way that could have potentially sabotaged her fragile campaign would be good strategy.

You’re adding more evidence to the pile as to why Democrats should ignore the puritans who abstain to vote going forward. Y’all care more about moral theatre than understanding the nuance it takes to succeed in politics.

Until the dems have the balls to nominate someone willing to go on stage, say the truth and tell the person 70+ million people voted for years earlier and millions again voted for months prior to fukk off, the party will never be united and we will deserve Trump and all the devastation he brings

Spoiler

Bernie Sanders backs Biden and urges Democrats to ‘stop the bickering’​

This article is more than 9 months old
Senator hails ‘most effective president in modern history’ and says Biden is strongest bet to beat ‘demagogue’ Trump

Oliver Milman
Sat 13 Jul 2024 14.29 EDT

Bernie Sanders backs Biden and urges Democrats to ‘stop the bickering’

Senator hails ‘most effective president in modern history’ and says Biden is strongest bet to beat ‘demagogue’ Trump

www.theguardian.com

 

[wire28]

She said she wouldn't break with Biden but we're supposed to infer that she would. Ok.

Maybe next time she should just be a white man and say she’ll make everything all better and be the best president of all time. Apparently that is easier to rationalize.

 

[Outlaw]

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say it's disingenuous to say Kamala didn't suitably separate herself from the actions of the Biden Administration, and when you're shown that she didn't separate herself from the Biden Administration, you say of course she didn't separate herself because it would have ruined her campaign. She showed political cowardice and was punished for it.

The nuance you claim is needed to succeed in politics just led Democrats to lose the popular vote for the first time in 20 years to an established piece of shyt moron.

You’re being purposefully obtuse, Kamala did well with educated voters and actually did slightly better with white voters than Biden did. A major reason Trump won is because a lot of ignorant low info men flipped to Trump because they thought Trump would be better for the economy.

The men that flipped didn’t see that Kamala clip saying she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden and say to themselves “oh hell naw, I’m voting Trump now.”

They were thinking I had stimmy checks when Trump was president, gas and groceries was cheaper Trump is my guy.

Kamala and DNC strategy didn’t work because they underestimated how dumb the median voter is and how easily they’d fall for disinformation. Their strategy worked with the most politically engaged that acted in good faith.

Where the Gaza abstainers came in the picture is that they were looking for any wedge issue not to vote for Kamala, and Gaza was just the catalyst to do what they deep down wanted to do anyway which was not vote.

Even if I granted you all of in my opinion bad faith conjecture on how Kamala would have handled Gaza, she still would be more easily influenced by protesting than Trump is. They’ve completely capitulated to Trump but if Kamala won they’d still have the balls to protest (if they still cared of course). That alone should have been enough reason to vote for Kamala over Trump if Gaza was your number one issue.

Trump may be a moron but he may be the strongest Republican candidate of all time. If
Normalized Trump ran against prime Reagan, Nixon, Bush or any Republican you can think of in a primary, he’d win. His control over the conservative American mind is that strong.

 

[wire28]

You’re being purposefully obtuse, Kamala did well with educated voters and actually did slightly better with white voters than Biden did. A major reason Trump won is because a lot of ignorant low info men flipped to Trump because they thought Trump would be better for the economy.

The men that flipped didn’t see that Kamala clip saying she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden and say to themselves “oh hell naw, I’m voting Trump now.”

They were thinking I had stimmy checks when Trump was president, gas and groceries was cheaper Trump is my guy.

Kamala and DNC strategy didn’t work because they underestimated how dumb the median voter is and how easily they’d fall for disinformation. Their strategy worked with the most politically engaged that acted in good faith.

Where the Gaza abstainers came in the picture is that they were looking for any wedge issue not to vote for Kamala, and Gaza was just the catalyst to do what they deep down wanted to do anyway which was not vote.

Even if I granted you all of in my opinion bad faith conjecture on how Kamala would have handled Gaza, she still would be more easily influenced by protesting than Trump is. They’ve completely capitulated to Trump but if Kamala won they’d still have the balls to protest (if they still cared of course). That alone should have been enough reason to vote for Kamala over Trump if Gaza was your number one issue.

Trump may be a moron but he may be the strongest Republican candidate of all time. If
Normalized Trump ran against prime Reagan, Nixon, Bush or any Republican you can think of in a primary, he’d win. His control over the conservative American mind is that strong.

That alone should have been enough reason and is why we know our blue pilled friends on here aren’t serious. If you’re opinion is Kamala and the dems are feckless weak spined losers with amorphous political ideologies shaped by popular opinion and not their own convictions, you’d want them to be in power so you could force them to adopt your ideology with constant protests and public pressure. Instead they not only capitulated to Trump who won’t be influenced by anyone but a select few but they aren’t even trying to influence him to begin with

These guys are non serious internet revolutionaries with the added bonus of being useful idiots of the tik tok era (at best).

 

[Outlaw]

That alone should have been enough reason and is why we know our blue pilled friends on here aren’t serious. If you’re opinion is Kamala and the dems are feckless weak spined losers with amorphous political ideologies shaped by popular opinion and not their own convictions, you’d want them to be in power so you could force them to adopt your ideology with constant protests and public pressure. Instead they not only capitulated to Trump who won’t be influenced by anyone but a select few but they aren’t even trying to influence him to begin with

These guys are non serious internet revolutionaries with the added bonus of being useful idiots of the tik tok era (at best).

Facts

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Gavin Newsom on why Democrats got 'crushed' by Trump

Governor Gavin Newsom on why Democrats got 'crushed' by Trump

California's governor was also asked by BBC Newsnight about his rumoured White House ambitions.

www.bbc.com

 

[Bunchy Carter]

 

[King Kreole]

You’re being purposefully obtuse, Kamala did well with educated voters and actually did slightly better with white voters than Biden did. A major reason Trump won is because a lot of ignorant low info men flipped to Trump because they thought Trump would be better for the economy.

The men that flipped didn’t see that Kamala clip saying she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden and say to themselves “oh hell naw, I’m voting Trump now.”

They were thinking I had stimmy checks when Trump was president, gas and groceries was cheaper Trump is my guy.

Kamala and DNC strategy didn’t work because they underestimated how dumb the median voter is and how easily they’d fall for disinformation. Their strategy worked with the most politically engaged that acted in good faith.

Your arguments all feature the same structural mistake; the election isn't solely decided by the voters of either candidate/party, non-voters always play a decisive role because the margin of victory is always smaller than the amount of non-voters. The major reason Trump won is because millions of people who voted in the last election chose to sit out of this one, and low turnout races favor Republicans. When Kamala was first subbed in she generated a massive wave of energy and enthusiasm - the key factors that translate into turnout - based on her cultivating the assumption that she would be the change candidate in this election. But midway through her campaign she chose to pivot to a turnout-depressing strategy of branding herself as Biden 2.0 and rolling out a weak tea policy platform. That paved the way for Trump's low-turnout path to victory. Yes, some ignorant low info men flipped from Biden voters to Trump voters, but they could have been numerically outvoted by youth, leftist and disinterested voters who sat out because of the way Kamala chose to run the back half of her campaign. The campaign's entire strategy was that these voters could be sacrificed because they would be replaced in number by Anti-Trump pro-Impeachment Republicans like Liz Cheney. Failed horribly.

Where the Gaza abstainers came in the picture is that they were looking for any wedge issue not to vote for Kamala, and Gaza was just the catalyst to do what they deep down wanted to do anyway which was not vote.

Even if I granted you all of in my opinion bad faith conjecture on how Kamala would have handled Gaza, she still would be more easily influenced by protesting than Trump is. They’ve completely capitulated to Trump but if Kamala won they’d still have the balls to protest (if they still cared of course). That alone should have been enough reason to vote for Kamala over Trump if Gaza was your number one issue.

This isn't really true. Most of the anti-genocide leftist influencers I saw were cautiously optimistic to excited about Kamala replacing Biden because it felt like an upgrade and victory to have Biden out of the paint. During the first half of the campaign when Kamala was riding high on change vibes, they were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12/nx-s1-5060109/israel-gaza-uncommitted-michigan-harris

Now that Vice President Harris has replaced Biden at the top of the ticket, organizers behind the movement are expressing cautious optimism about their ability to engage with Harris.

Abbas Alawieh, a co-founder of the uncommitted movement, said at a news conference in recent days, "There are early indications that there is an openness to engaging with our movement that feels like a shift from how our requests were being treated previously.

"And so I'm choosing to remain hopeful that the vice president won't miss the opportunity to unite our party."

Layla Elabed is another co-founder of the uncommitted movement, and said Harris' candidacy provides a window of opportunity.

"VP Harris has shown that she is a little more empathetic to our movement. She spoke of Palestinian right to self-determination. She spoke about the suffering that Palestinians are experiencing right now," Elabed said in an interview. "And so it's a slightly different shift in language than what we've seen from President Biden and his administration."

The sentiment only really started shifting when she said she wouldn't be a break from Biden on this issue and started telling protestors to fukk off, culminating in banning anyone with Palestinian blood from appearing on stage at her DNC. It significantly drove down the stakes of the election to people with genocide as their red line for supporting a candidate.

And contrary to your claim, people are out in the streets protesting the Trump Administration's anti-Palestinian actions

’Gaza is not for sale’ - protests across US against Trump

People across the US have protested Trump’s proposal to displace Palestinians from Gaza, as well as his deportation of migrants and dismantling of government

www.newarab.com

Anti-Trump Protest and Free Gaza Rally Draw Thousands in D.C. - The Hilltop

Last weekend, protesters nationwide gathered to condemn President Donald Trump and his administration’s handling of domestic and foreign affairs.

thehilltoponline.com

Trump may be a moron but he may be the strongest Republican candidate of all time. If
Normalized Trump ran against prime Reagan, Nixon, Bush or any Republican you can think of in a primary, he’d win. His control over the conservative American mind is that strong.

Strongest Republican candidate of all time but a 78 year old gaffe prone geriatric fool who was stuck doing virtual campaigning because of a pandemic beat him.

 

[Loose]

It's it crazy the only time dems won against Trump was when they was actually promising to offer voters something that was led by progressives pushing through Overton window ? It almost like voters want significant change not more of the same .isn't it even crazier that trump ran on being a change candidate too and won twice

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Loose get your people

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

She is a gotdamn liar. The mainstream media has a long-standing bias towards "both sides" narratives and a fetish for centrism. They love presenting compromise as inherently virtuous, even when one side is operating in bad faith and actively undermining democratic norms.

She won two narrow elections. If you’d rather a republican senator for Nevada, be my guest.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The entire reason we keep having this back and forth is because you and your ilk believe the political landscape is black and white with MAGA as the bad guys and the Democrats as the good guys, so anything the former does is by definition bad and anything the latter does is by definition good. When your beliefs are guided by morality, the primary factor in determining virtue is the action, not the actor. Aiding and abetting genocide doesn't only become bad when it's done by the "bad guys". In fact, it makes the people doing it the bad guys.

This relates to the thread topic because the Democratic Party will never find its way out of the wilderness unless they divest themselves of the uncritical stanning that people like you keep giving them. They can't see their mistakes because they have a committed phalanx of people like you telling them they're not the problem, it's the voters who don't want to vote for their weak ass agenda that are the problem. Your preferred position is for people to just vote D no matter what, which is why you respond to criticisms of the Democratic Party by complaining about why these people aren't criticizing the Republican Party (who they're not supporting either) instead. The mistake you Centrist Libs keep making is assuming you can artificially set the political playing field around your milquetoast issue set, so suppressing criticism of the Democratic Party when they do bad things will lead to people voting for them out of ignorance. But when presented with two dogshyt options, people will just continue to tune out, man. The solution is to hit the gym and get fit instead of getting mad at people for not liking your ugly incel ass.

After the primary election? Yes.