Democratic Party Rebuild

WIA20XX

Superstar
Joined
May 24, 2022
Messages
9,666
Reputation
4,386
Daps
29,912
I don't know about this one, I think two Trump victories have really radicalized the Democratic base.

The big question for me, for all, is who is the Democrat base?

What are their characteristics?
What are their positions?
Where are they unwilling to negotiate?
 

the cac mamba

Veteran
Joined
May 21, 2012
Messages
111,170
Reputation
14,315
Daps
316,107
Reppin
NULL
And the problem is (at least the people on here) can’t even define progressive. You bring up Bernie or AOC they’ll say they aren’t really progressive look at (insert European country).
some posters even take it a step further, and live there themselves :ehh:
 

CrimsonTider

Seduce & Scheme
WOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
85,606
Reputation
-13,834
Daps
135,065
You can't say that when a Joe Biden adopted a couple progressive ideals (i.e. canceling student debt) and had overwhelming support.

It shows that it’s not the policies, it's the person the policies are comin

Show me one progressive that celebrated Biden for student loan forgiveness?

I’ve brought up Biden forgiving over a billion dollars in student loans on here when people say he failed to deliver on this promise

Progressive want the cost of college to be free but never give a realistic way on how this will be paid paid and passed through congress
 

CrimsonTider

Seduce & Scheme
WOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
85,606
Reputation
-13,834
Daps
135,065
We’ve brought this up over and over and the jist is it’s easier to complain rather than work towards power.

Why don’t progressives run blue strongholds? Centrist Voltron. Why don’t progressives take over the south and Midwest where central dems have no power or influence? AIPAC. It’s always an excuse. But thankfully these dummies on here don’t represent people in real life for the most part.
The real excuse is that progressives in 2025 are very privileged and comfortable

Look at how now the most educated people in America are make up the progressive voting base. These people aren’t in dire needs
 

Hood Critic

The Power Circle
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
25,648
Reputation
4,185
Daps
115,807
Reppin
דעת
Joe biden ran on progressive policies and didn't complete 90% of them, it's not surprising that voters did not support his re-election campaign when he was offering even less in 24. Not to mention other issues in his control
The Biden administration ran as if they knew they had 2 terms in the bag.

I know you all love to criticize Biden and attempt to lay our current climate at his feet like Trump didn't exist prior to his 2020 win but his administration had multiple policy wins. The problem is those policies were long term pieces and not here and now pieces.

If I was one of the over paid political consultants the Dems love to shovel money to, I would have advised the administration to make every thing in the campaign centered around economics. The message would have been we spent the first term fighting a tremendous amount of opposition from the republicans on laying a future economic foundation with things such as build back better and the CHIPs act. The second term will be all about the today's economics and how do we back into the foundation we've already laid.

Republicans want to scream about open borders, ok, lets talk about the economics of immigrant workers in this country (cost vs corporate profit). Lets talk about additional economic burden it puts on the american consumer if we "close" the border.

Republicans want to scream about crime, lets talk about how crime is rooted in a lack of economics with a recent relevant case study being the pandemic and shortly there after.

Republicans want to talk about it but we've spent the last 4 years putting the pieces in place to avoid being here in the future, if you give us four more years, we can finish the job
 

Hood Critic

The Power Circle
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
25,648
Reputation
4,185
Daps
115,807
Reppin
דעת
Show me one progressive that celebrated Biden for student loan forgiveness?

I’ve brought up Biden forgiving over a billion dollars in student loans on here when people say he failed to deliver on this promise

Progressive want the cost of college to be free but never give a realistic way on how this will be paid paid and passed through congress
 

MAKAVELI25

the heir apparent
Supporter
Joined
Jun 21, 2012
Messages
19,277
Reputation
5,705
Daps
75,989
Reppin
#ByrdGang
You can't say that when a Joe Biden adopted a couple progressive ideals (i.e. canceling student debt) and had overwhelming support.

It shows that its not the policies, it's the person the policies are coming from.

I agree with this. What most of us on High Learning need to realize is that we're weirdos. We're in the small minority of the population that actually enjoy paying attention to politics, let alone policy, most people either hate it or can't be bothered.

It took me far longer than it should have to realize that people don't vote based on policy. They vote based on identity. Policy is simply a demonstration of who you are and who you will fight for, not the be all and end all of why people will vote for you.

That's why you can have Trump/Bernie, Trump/AOC, and Trump/Mandani voters. That's why in the past you had George Wallace/RFK support.

People don't buy in to policies, they buy in to the candidates. So far, Elizabeth Warren is my personal ideal candidate, but I don't think the majority of the American public will ever buy in to her as a person.

The more I understand how different I am to the electorate (not in a superior way or anything like that) the better I understand the political milieu.
 

Loose

Retired Legend
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
53,271
Reputation
3,078
Daps
150,304
What policy did he fail to complete?
Paid family leave
Free community college
Dental and vision benefits (Medicare Expansion)
500k housing investment
Clean Electricity Performance Program
Prescription reform
Student loan forgiveness
15 dollar mininum wage

Basically everything for working poor
 

Hood Critic

The Power Circle
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
25,648
Reputation
4,185
Daps
115,807
Reppin
דעת
Paid family leave
Free community college
Dental and vision benefits (Medicare Expansion)
500k housing investment
Clean Electricity Performance Program
Prescription reform
Student loan forgiveness
15 dollar mininum wage

Basically everything for working poor
You're listing these as if he made no attempt to get them done and wasn't hamstringed the whole way by a republican congress.
 

Loose

Retired Legend
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
53,271
Reputation
3,078
Daps
150,304
The Biden administration ran as if they knew they had 2 terms in the bag.

I know you all love to criticize Biden and attempt to lay our current climate at his feet like Trump didn't exist prior to his 2020 win but his administration had multiple policy wins. The problem is those policies were long term pieces and not here and now pieces.

If I was one of the over paid political consultants the Dems love to shovel money to, I would have advised the administration to make every thing in the campaign centered around economics. The message would have been we spent the first term fighting a tremendous amount of opposition from the republicans on laying a future economic foundation with things such as build back better and the CHIPs act. The second term will be all about the today's economics and how do we back into the foundation we've already laid.

Republicans want to scream about open borders, ok, lets talk about the economics of immigrant workers in this country (cost vs corporate profit). Lets talk about additional economic burden it puts on the american consumer if we "close" the border.

Republicans want to scream about crime, lets talk about how crime is rooted in a lack of economics with a recent relevant case study being the pandemic and shortly there after.

Republicans want to talk about it but we've spent the last 4 years putting the pieces in place to avoid being here in the future, if you give us four more years, we can finish the job
Speaking strictly from a domestic standpoint, my primary criticism of President Biden centers on his apparent incompetence—possibly exacerbated by age—and his failure to communicate effectively or proactively address growing public concerns. His administration prioritized long-term policy wins, but those victories were never going to resonate with his base in the way he hoped. You can’t start with decade-spanning goals and expect immediate support. You need short-term wins first—tangible improvements that people can feel now—and then build toward broader reforms. Biden did the opposite. Voters are focused on how their material conditions can improve today, not in eight years. Politically, you don’t have an eight-year runway. You have twelve months to make a major impact before your own party starts turning on you.

My second major issue with Biden was his approach to negotiating the Build Back Better Act. He chose to bring Republicans into the conversation, aiming for bipartisan consensus. Contrast that with Trump, who told Democrats to eat a dikk when he pushed through his own legislation. Biden’s inclusive strategy gave dissenting voices—like Joe Manchin—room to amplify Republican talking points. Worse, Biden refused to publicly pressure the two Democratic senators who opposed key parts of his agenda. Instead of rallying his base to hold Manchin accountable, his supporters redirected their frustration toward the party as a whole, saying, “Forget it, they don’t do anything anyway.”
 
Top