Democratic Party Rebuild

[Hood Critic]

The irony in all of this, with the economy being the most prioritized political concern - the president has limited tools to do anything meaningful about it.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Show me one progressive that celebrated Biden for student loan forgiveness?

I’ve brought up Biden forgiving over a billion dollars in student loans on here when people say he failed to deliver on this promise

Progressive want the cost of college to be free but never give a realistic way on how this will be paid paid and passed through congress

Progressives were literally some of Biden's strongest allies and supporters while he was President, especially before the Gaza war started.

Before he decided not to run, AOC and Bernie (I think Warren) were supporting him and defending him against claims against his age, arguably longer than he should have. Biden had a lot of progressive support because of the policies he implemented.

Neither the centrists nor progressive on HL are representative of the coalitions offline.

 

[Loose]

You're listing these as if he made no attempt to get them done and wasn't hamstringed the whole way by a republican congress.

? This was passed through reconciliation only needed 51

 

[Loose]

Progressives were literally some of Biden's strongest allies and supporters while he was President, especially before the Gaza war started.

Before he decided not to run, AOC and Bernie (I think Warren) were supporting him and defending him against claims against his age, arguably longer than he should have. Biden had a lot of progressive support because of the policies he implemented.

Neither the centrists nor progressive on HL are representative of the coalitions offline.

I'd argue they supported him way too long, they supported biden til the end

 

[King Kreole]

I have no dog in the fight. But, he's got red flags. Just like Fetterman. And just like Fetterman the Bernie Bro left is falling all over him despite the issues. And despite the time to vet another one. I don't see anything special about this guy that for a whole entire year out, it's impossible to find a better version of him. That so many people have to stick their neck out for him. So to preface I'm not one of those oh my god he worked for Blackwater people. My issue is he voted for fukking Collins as recently as one cycle ago. That's not a red flag? Had a deepcut Nazi tattoo for almost 20 years not a red flag.

Hey hitch your horse to him. Believe he really is that true Bernie Blue Progressive. Ignore a full year to find a better one. Not my fight. Do I prefer him over Collins sure. Do I think he's a reliably 80/20 dem vote hmm debatable.

Now you tell me why a former Collins voter, blackwater employee, had a deep cut nazi tattoo is a tried and true down to his core Progressive Liberal that will vote to move the Country Left in all he does once in office.

You can't understand why progressive leaders are supporting the only viable candidate running on a progressive policy ticket? Bernie and AOC and progressive leaders didn't swoop into Maine and make Platner out of thin air, he started running on progressive policies and got wind in his sails and then they came in to push him further. So you saying they should ditch him and make another Platner doesn't comport with reality. In fact, creating some Manchurian Progressive would be a strategy far more susceptible to betrayal than someone running as a progressive organically. The actual comments and posts Platner made in the past when he was under anonymity indicate that he is actually farther left than he's appearing right now, so the notion that he's going to get into office and start voting for tax cuts for billionaires and more wars of misadventure is highly unlikely. Y'all keep using Fetterman as the cautionary tale but by most accounts the man had a severe brain injury that dramatically changed his behavior - not even just politics but personal behavior. Sinema would actually be the better example for y'all to use. But your argument is ridiculous on its face because you're saying that the person running as a progressive might end up betraying the progressive movement, so progressives should just support the avowed non-progressive instead. It's the perfect encapsulation of the apolitical capitulating fecklessness of the modern Democratic Party. Holding power for power's sake.

But you seem to be preferring Mills - who doesn't even have a policy or platform page on her campaign website - which tells me you don't actually care that much about getting the progressive agenda pushed forward. If you're a centrist Lib whose only concern is seeing Democrats back in electoral power (and not what they actually do with it to fix this country) then Mills being a silent warm body in that seat is the same thing as someone in that seat advocating for universal healthcare, childcare, humane foreign policy, ending the oligarchy, etc.

 

[WIA20XX]

If I was one of the over paid political consultants the Dems love to shovel money to, I would have advised the administration to make every thing in the campaign centered around economics.

Bernie in 2016

States/Territories won by Senator Sanders (23):

Alaska, Colorado, Democrats Abroad, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Wyoming

 

[MAKAVELI25]

You're listing these as if he made no attempt to get them done and wasn't hamstringed the whole way by a republican congress.

He wasn't just hamstrung by the Republican Congress, he was blocked by recalcitrant Democratic Senators. I see the value of a Joe Manchin because I think it is important for Dems to be able to win in local regions/states, but we also need Presidents who have the ability to use the bully pulpit the way LBJ did. He should have used his capital to go after Sinema and Manchin for blocking his agenda.

If we want to stop another Trump, we can no longer allow archaic institutional rules like the filibuster to stop us from implementing legislation that helps ordinary people.

The normies (not an insult to them, more an insult to us than anything) don't care about the filibuster, or the parliamentarian, or budget reconciliation. They care about delivery of results.

We have seen what they will be willing to vote for if we don't deliver for them. We were blessed that DJT is a moron, the next one might not be. So we need to be galvanized in to delivering what we promise, or we need to die fighting.

 

[the cac mamba]

He won for selling good policy

Lost because he didn't complete said policy

I think their's a lesson to learn here

this isn't true

he lost because he took office right as post-covid inflation was set to explode, which could be directly tied to him. and he was never fit to run for reelection at 82. it was not because of "not enough policy", that's just you coping with not getting everything you wanted, like a child on christmas

 

[the cac mamba]

Unfortunately, he ain't wrong.

i'm not mad at a Newsom nomination. he's a good politician, and he's got the juice to get it done. but i'm not voting for him in the primary (assuming we have a credible swing state nominee in the race)

as good as he is at bragging about California, i just can't stomach the idea of defending it in a general especially since Vance will be playing up all his "humble Ohio roots/values" bullshyt, and playing up Newsom as some liberal elitist Hollywood dikkhead

 

[King Kreole]

Look at how now the most educated people in America are make up the progressive voting base. These people aren’t in dire needs

You...think the problem with America...is too many smart people in charge? Being educated is a bad thing now?

 

[wire28]

The big question for me, for all, is who is the Democrat base?

What are their characteristics?
What are their positions?
Where are they unwilling to negotiate?

Black people, mostly women.

 

[wire28]

The real excuse is that progressives in 2025 are very privileged and comfortable

Look at how now the most educated people in America are make up the progressive voting base. These people aren’t in dire needs

True. Which explains why they are so willing to live through Trump to teach dems a lesson, a shutdown for three more years to win the media battle, etc because they will be good regardless.

 

[Outlaw]

It's mostly self-admitted establishment liberals who are mad too

It's only Coli shytlibs who act like this was a 4D chess move

Hey, who did you vote for?

If you didn’t vote for the democrats when it mattered, why are you mad that the democrats can’t fight the Republicans effectively with power you took away from them

 

[wire28]

Progressives were literally some of Biden's strongest allies and supporters while he was President, especially before the Gaza war started.

Before he decided not to run, AOC and Bernie (I think Warren) were supporting him and defending him against claims against his age, arguably longer than he should have. Biden had a lot of progressive support because of the policies he implemented.

Neither the centrists nor progressive on HL are representative of the coalitions offline.

Let us never forget Bernie was one of the last people standing defending Biden after his debate God bless the infallible Bernie

 

[Outlaw]

@AquaCityBoy is such a bytch

Talks super spicy about the libs of this site but can’t even be man enough to admit he didn’t vote against Trump when it mattered