Democrats keep demonizing progressives, yet the masses keep voting for progressive ideas.

[invincible1914]

I forgot to add.... YOUR PEOPLE DONT VOTE!!,

 

[No1]

People agreeing with their policies doesn't mean much if people generally don't support the candidates pushing the policies. For example, for decades laymen who lean right have disagreed with right leaning economists on international trade but it wasn't until Trump that the ideas the unelectable Pat Buchanan introduced became policy. I think money and power is a relevant constraint; but even if that is the case, to some degree it still doesn't undermine the point that progressives would benefit from a better cost/benefit analysis regarding rhetoric. Thus, if Progressives want to undermine the status quo Chomsky tinged complaining about "manipulation" should take a backseat.

We aren’t disagreeing here. The way your question was worded in the context of discussions here felt as if you were making a question of policy critiques as opposed to people. Everything else you’re saying is what I always say. I only push back when people who are not progressive say these things in bad faith. Like think of the level of lunacy it takes to claim that there is a difference between civil rights and progressive policy when black people are the most progressive voting block in the country. Think of the group of white people who are most likely to support BLM. It’s like some people struggle to understand that their argument about progressives as people does not bolster their arguments about people rejecting progressive policy. Otherwise, we are just regurgitating each other.

 

[Ozymandeas]

@duncanthetall still negging me. Homie been mad for five weeks that I called him out for supporting Trump. Fukking psycho. I forgot you existed already. Get a life.

 

[Armchair Militant]

Run better candidates.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Branding. Drop the title, push the policy.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

 

[John Reena]

Please stop letting this nikka start threads.

He’s Nap with a different haircut

 

[winb83]

Democrat politicans resist policies that are personally inconvenient for them and their donors

The democrats aren't a progressive party. The progressives gather there because there is literally no where else to go. At the same time the people that control the party don't want or care about progressive ideas.

The heart and soul of the democrats is a diet coke republican style party.

 

[wire28]

The democrats aren't a progressive party. The progressives gather there because there is literally no where else to go. At the same time the people that control the party don't want or care about progressive ideas.

The heart and soul of the democrats is a diet coke republican style party.

then why are the progressives gathering there

 

[Champion]

The democrats aren't a progressive party. The progressives gather there because there is literally no where else to go. At the same time the people that control the party don't want or care about progressive ideas.

 

[winb83]

then why are the progressives gathering there

The same reason black voters overwhelmingly support that party. The same reason Bernie an independent ran as a democrat. There are two valad parties and either you get in where you fit in, become a regional star as an independent but advance no further, or at the national level you're not gonna make it. A third party will never work in our political system so you kinda get in where you fit in and fight to get your ideas accepted.

The democrats will take progressive votes but most of the time the attitude is shut up and fall in line. Same with black voters. On the other hand the republican party won't even pretend to care about either of those groups. I mean you see how republicans treat their most faithful block of voters (poor to lower to middle class whites). They really don't even try to do anything for them. Occasionally the democrats will throw progressives or blacks a bone.

 

[FAH1223]

I think I'm at peace that progressive candidates just aren't going to win much more than they have and they only way you can get progressive policies is through ballot initiatives.

Progressive movement failed in 2020 and progressives themselves don't want to reconcile with that.

 

[wire28]

The same reason black voters overwhelmingly support that party. The same reason Bernie an independent ran as a democrat. There are two valad parties and either you get in where you fit in, become a regional star as an independent but advance no further, or at the national level you're not gonna make it. A third party will never work in our political system so you kinda get in where you fit in and fight to get your ideas accepted.

The democrats will take progressive votes but most of the time the attitude is shut up and fall in line. Same with black voters. On the other hand the republican party won't even pretend to care about either of those groups. I mean you see how republicans treat their most faithful block of voters (poor to lower to middle class whites). They really don't even try to do anything for them. Occasionally the democrats will throw progressives or blacks a bone.

i keep hearing this, but it directly conflicts with progressives shouting from the rooftops that their policies are loved by all

they know how to properly campaign/get their message across and everybody loves their policies so why cant they form their own party if the dems are republican lite? perhaps the former isnt as true as they like to say?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

THREAD:

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Universal healthcare
$15 minimum wage
Green New Deal
Criminal justice reform
Path to citizenship
Break up the banks
Student loan forgiveness
Free college

^ Clear agenda. What do the Centrist Dems want?
And really they Progressive movement has grown on a national level not shrunk. They not going anywhere anytime soon.

Progs need to tailor stuff region by region and convince nonvoters to get on board. Out of that list, only UHC, banks, and to a lesser extent $15 mw and path to citizenship have any broad appeal.

Only blacks, Libertarians, and progressives care about police reform. Good luck getting the GND off the ground anywhere where energy or chemical companies are a driver of jobs.

Free college and SLF get no play from the working class who see it as pencilnecks taking their tax dollars to study queer theory or some shyt.