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Id take rose over rondo but rondo ain't no scrub.

Rose is just better all round IMO

 

[Brozay]

rondos leadership?

really bro ?

 

[cornercommission2k12]

The problem with the rondo vs rose debate is that everybody continues to try and define positions based on a past standard. But what happens when freak of nature athletes like Westbrook and rose come along? And if cp3 and rondo could jump as high and run as fast as Westbrook and rose would they still pass as much as they do? Should gifted scorers like rose scale back that gift in order to appease those stuck to old standards?

If d12 can't post up like Kareem or Hakeem does that mean he not a center no more? If a guys can't shoot 3's or score like Jordan and Clyde drexler does that mean jimmy butler and Thabo sefelosha shouldn't play 2 guard?

You play the position you play then you lean to your strengths. Rose strength is scoring and with this bulls roster they need his scoring. If rondo don't get more scoring he will find himself never in the playoffs.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The problem with the rondo vs rose debate is that everybody continues to try and define positions based on a past standard. But what happens when freak of nature athletes like Westbrook and rose come along? And if cp3 and rondo could jump as high and run as fast as Westbrook and rose would they still pass as much as they do? Should gifted scorers like rose scale back that gift in order to appease those stuck to old standards?

If d12 can't post up like Kareem or Hakeem does that mean he not a center no more? If a guys can't shoot 3's or score like Jordan and Clyde drexler does that mean jimmy butler and Thabo sefelosha shouldn't play 2 guard?

You play the position you play then you lean to your strengths. Rose strength is scoring and with this bulls roster they need his scoring. If rondo don't get more scoring he will find himself never in the playoffs.

 

[Dwight Howard]

No, Rondo's defense is vastly overrated. He gambles on everything

he's still a better defender than Rose. much smarter defender. More physical defender. more versatile defender, I mean this is a guy that once guarded both Carmelo and Lebron and did a decent job at both. He's a nightmare in the passing lanes, and his long arms and bball Iq allows him to snag more defensive rebounds than any other PG in the NBA. I dont see how the arguments could be made that Rose is a better defender. Based off what?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The problem with the rondo vs rose debate is that everybody continues to try and define positions based on a past standard. But what happens when freak of nature athletes like Westbrook and rose come along? And if cp3 and rondo could jump as high and run as fast as Westbrook and rose would they still pass as much as they do? Should gifted scorers like rose scale back that gift in order to appease those stuck to old standards?

If d12 can't post up like Kareem or Hakeem does that mean he not a center no more? If a guys can't shoot 3's or score like Jordan and Clyde drexler does that mean jimmy butler and Thabo sefelosha shouldn't play 2 guard?

You play the position you play then you lean to your strengths. Rose strength is scoring and with this bulls roster they need his scoring. If rondo don't get more scoring he will find himself never in the playoffs.

i tried telling dudes about this backwards traditional take on things back in 2011. folk still let the past dictate the future of the game.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

he's still a better defender than Rose. much smarter defender. More physical defender. more versatile defender, I mean this is a guy that once guarded both Carmelo and Lebron and did a decent job at both. He's a nightmare in the passing lanes, and his long arms and bball Iq allows him to snag more defensive rebounds than any other PG in the NBA. I dont see how the arguments could be made that Rose is a better defender. Based off what?

watch games. his long arms don't got shyt to with him getting rebounds either. why do folk still have this elementary perspective of the game

 

[Dwight Howard]

Passer maybe, rebounder he us just more aggressive when going for them rose waits for the outlet to go that's how our offense is run rondo played in a more slowed offense. Defender I would say he's better playing the lane because rondo can't guard rose-lillard on the point guard scale and neither could the other guards so that's like a wash IMO

so basically you just admitted he's a better passer. You said Rondo gets more rebounds due to aggression, well aggression is a factor of rebounding so that would make Rondo a better rebounder. And then you say defense is a wash, yet you listed something Rondo is clearly better than Rose at, but not vice versa

 

[Dwight Howard]

watch games. his long arms don't got shyt to with him getting rebounds either. why do folk still have this elementary perspective of the game

I do which is why I and many other publications have come to the conclusion Rondo is a better defender.

and hold up. You REALLY about to argue wingspan has no affect on rebounding? You serious? Having longer arms increases your reach, I mean its point-blank logic

 

[beenz]

whenever rondo comes back, I wanna see how he does as the focal point for opposing teams. it's gonna be hard to rack up the assist #'s without KG and PP this season.

 

[j7thirty]

so basically you just admitted he's a better passer. You said Rondo gets more rebounds due to aggression, well aggression is a factor of rebounding so that would make Rondo a better rebounder. And then you say defense is a wash, yet you listed something Rondo is clearly better than Rose at, but not vice versa

I said maybe a better passer because it's no way to gauge that when assist is a stay predicated on other people making shots how can you gauge who is a better passer

I said more aggressive based on the fact that it's how the offense he plays in his run. If the bulls walked the ball up rose could get in there and rebound if need be no way to gauge the better instincts if one player isn't asked to do something we are judging

Playing the passing lane is overrated because if he misses guess what his man is open and he puts his defense at a disadvantage so that's a Jekyll and Hyde trait he has when he succeeds in the passing lane he's better but when he fails he is way worse

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I do which is why I and many other publications have come to the conclusion Rondo is a better defender.

and hold up. You REALLY about to argue wingspan has no affect on rebounding? You serious? Having longer arms increases your reach, I mean its point-blank logic

the majority of publications dont know what they're talking about anyway so with that

no that's not what im aruging at all, thanks captain obvious for that information. read again - i said HIS long arms dont have shyt to do with getting rebounds. because a) the celtics didn't prioritize rebounding - they've been in the bottom half of the league ever since rondo's been there. If my recollection serves me right they've never had a double digit rebounder in that time also - hence why he has more opportunities to get boards. b) rondo hardly ever plays man-to-man and roams 90% of the time (plus with his knack for anticipating where the ball might go), he's able to put himself in better position than someone who might only be concerned with man defense. c) in the list of importance for a PG, rebounds are almost dead last.

 

[beenz]

so basically you just admitted he's a better passer. You said Rondo gets more rebounds due to aggression, well aggression is a factor of rebounding so that would make Rondo a better rebounder. And then you say defense is a wash, yet you listed something Rondo is clearly better than Rose at, but not vice versa

another thing about rondo, is the celtics historically (the big 3 era) have been a poor rebounding team, so he was rebounding out of necessity. whereas the bulls have been one of the best rebounding teams, so rose does not need to focus himself on rebounding because almost everyone on the bulls is a good rebounder.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

If rondo had to play with guys who eat rebounds up like Noah Booz deng taj and asik he would not get those rebounds either

And we know that rondo is overrated as a defender because Pgs like rose Westbrook Irving d will etc walk up to Boston and bust his ass routinely and this does not happen to rose and Westbrook

nikkas see high steal totals and assume that means good defense when all rondo and cp3 are doing is gambling on passing lanes. When iverson was leading the league in steals the media couldn't wait to point this out but when it's rondo and cp3 this is ignored

 

[7oclock]

The problem with the rondo vs rose debate is that everybody continues to try and define positions based on a past standard. But what happens when freak of nature athletes like Westbrook and rose come along? And if cp3 and rondo could jump as high and run as fast as Westbrook and rose would they still pass as much as they do? Should gifted scorers like rose scale back that gift in order to appease those stuck to old standards?

If d12 can't post up like Kareem or Hakeem does that mean he not a center no more? If a guys can't shoot 3's or score like Jordan and Clyde drexler does that mean jimmy butler and Thabo sefelosha shouldn't play 2 guard?

You play the position you play then you lean to your strengths. Rose strength is scoring and with this bulls roster they need his scoring. If rondo don't get more scoring he will find himself never in the playoffs.

I agree with this but it's also has to do with the system and mentality of the players (moreso than being athletic). Magic could have been a 30ppg scorer at the PG position...I mean seriously 6'9 PG? Or you look at a guy like Steve Nash, who probably could have been a low to mid 20PPG scorer if he took more shots. It's a partially due system and mentality of the players.

Westbrook is agreat example, because he has a great complimentary players and a great scorer in Durant and probably could be a better setup man but he chooses not to and has developed his game to be a scoring PG. You could clearly see 3 years ago when everyone wanted him to give the ball to Durant and be more of a passing pG that the he (and/or the coach) made the decision to continue to score the ball and up his FGA.

Lastly, I want to point out that while Rondo isn't the dunker that Westbrook/Rose is I believe he is known to be one of the more athletic guards in the leagues, when it comes to strength and speed and while I don't have any combine results (couldn't find any). I'm fairly certain his vert is not far off from either Westbrook or Rose.