this is always a very debatable topic just like what cats say about the west when they fell off …..the west definitely fell off after pac died I don’t even think that’s arguable at this point yeah they had ice cube , snoop etc but even there careers in rap wasn’t the same ….. as far as the east …. seems like newyork didn’t fall off til the early to mid 2000s after biggie died … they still had a whole bunch of mc “s jay , nas , dmx , 50 , mob deep , wu etc ….
Did Hip Hop get better or worse once NY lost it?
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shyt dumb AF........this shyt popped off park jams with BIG ASS speakers......heavy bass FYM
Cats dont know that masculinity been undermined when the strip club culture became mainstream.
It's not a regional thing. It's more of a time thing. NY sound was popular in the 90s. The South is popular at the same time the Internet started popping so the further & faster reach is inevitable. Also , hip hop in general was more widely accepted by every one by the 2010s in the 90s politicians were trying to keep it away from the mainstream.
BmoreGorilla
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This is really what did it and could be a whole thread all by itself. shyt ain’t been the same since that era of the super producer
Atsym Sknyfs
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All regions contributed to the watering down of hip hop, even the Mecca. Let’s act like these didn’t exist:
Ain’t Diddy didn’t “force” none of these nikkas to shyt.
I don't agree that it's on Diddy but these records are 07-10, well after the period breh discussed where Bad Boy's influence was still at its peak.
BmoreGorilla
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This is a circular argument because all regions of the U.S. have good and bad artists.
Do NYC rappers go to New Orleans at Mardi Gras and get upset that NYC music isn't top 10 on the radio?
Vice versa.
The issue is that NY hip hop doesn't have a diverse M.C. quota anymore.
West coast, Midwest, and Souther slang took over. Vs. NYC led the phonetic/slang edge for years.
NYC needs healthy competition within the city and needs to get back to battling and forging the best artists.
The South is able to excell with all coasts due to reverse migration and ability to connect culturally with the other 3 coasts better than the Tri-State and New England.
Do NYC rappers go to New Orleans at Mardi Gras and get upset that NYC music isn't top 10 on the radio?
Vice versa.
The issue is that NY hip hop doesn't have a diverse M.C. quota anymore.
West coast, Midwest, and Souther slang took over. Vs. NYC led the phonetic/slang edge for years.
NYC needs healthy competition within the city and needs to get back to battling and forging the best artists.
The South is able to excell with all coasts due to reverse migration and ability to connect culturally with the other 3 coasts better than the Tri-State and New England.
WORSE. The amount of heat being dropped when NY was on top was ridiculous.
King of Rock and Radio dropped the same year.
Criminal Minded, Paid in Full, Bigger & Deffer all drop the same year.
Long Live the Kane, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Follow the Leader, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, By All Means Necessary, and Strictly Business all dropped the same year.
Midnight Marauders and Enter the 36 Chambers dropped the SAME DAY.
Illmatic and Ready to Die dropped the same year.
The Infamous and Only Built for Cuban Linx same year.
It Was Written, Reasonable Doubt and The Score dropped the same year.
Hard Knock Life, It's Dark & Hell is Hot, Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood dropped the same year.
C'mon son
King of Rock and Radio dropped the same year.
Criminal Minded, Paid in Full, Bigger & Deffer all drop the same year.
Long Live the Kane, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Follow the Leader, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, By All Means Necessary, and Strictly Business all dropped the same year.
Midnight Marauders and Enter the 36 Chambers dropped the SAME DAY.
Illmatic and Ready to Die dropped the same year.
The Infamous and Only Built for Cuban Linx same year.
It Was Written, Reasonable Doubt and The Score dropped the same year.
Hard Knock Life, It's Dark & Hell is Hot, Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood dropped the same year.
C'mon son
It's not about the origin of the artists on a local radio station, it's about lack of balance in style. The South took over as the Internet expanded in influence and symbiosis with society, leading to a uniformity that didn't exist. That diverse quota you say New York lacks, is what the whole scope of hip-hop lacks when discussing those who get chosen (by consumers now, not labels) to represent at the mainstream level.
The ingredients you say NY needs, can only exist in a culture that prioritizes technical ability and pride and diligence with the craft and culture. That isn't the case today and a rapper trying to maximize their success is encouraged to carry their career in the opposite manner.
When New York had Hip Hop they gave us Wu Tang, Mobb Deep, Biggie, Nas, Jay Z, Boot Camp Click, Mos Def, 50 Cent, Dipset, Rakim, KRS, Tribe etc.
When The West Coast had hip hop they gave us Tupac, Kendrick, Dre, Snoop, Nipsey, Kurupt, Daz, DJ Quik, Too Short, E-40, Ice Cube, etc.
When The South had Hip Hop they gave us Ying Yang Twins, Master P, Young Thug, NBA Young Boy, Lil Boosie,, D4L Boyz, Franchise Boyz
When The West Coast had hip hop they gave us Tupac, Kendrick, Dre, Snoop, Nipsey, Kurupt, Daz, DJ Quik, Too Short, E-40, Ice Cube, etc.
When The South had Hip Hop they gave us Ying Yang Twins, Master P, Young Thug, NBA Young Boy, Lil Boosie,, D4L Boyz, Franchise Boyz