Did the historical Jesus exist? A growing number of scholars don’t think so

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Theism The Bible though. I'm a Theist but I have almost nothing in common with your beliefs about God.

An argument for Christianity from a theist to theist is in Christianity God comes to us and in others people have to go to god. Whether by works or deed. It is on the individual to do what is necessary and not God. In judgment people would rely on god or gods to see if the reward has been obtained.
 

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The only respect for craig is that he is a swarmy piece of shyt with no respect for the rules of debate or the very reason he claims to employ

Does that make his arguments wrong? Last time I checked this is the one guy who Dawkins will not debate.
 

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An argument for Christianity from a theist to theist is in Christianity God comes to us and in others people have to go to god. Whether by works or deed. It is on the individual to do what is necessary and not God. In judgment people would rely on god or gods to see if the reward has been obtained.

As a former Christian I've heard practically all the arguments and I'm just no longer convinced.
 

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Peace fam, from my observation I don't think non-believers are trying to tear down any faith because it offers hope. But they wanna know if the claims being made are true. Also are you okay with something giving people hope even if it's not true? Like psychics or mediums that claim they can speak to the dead, and give people that are suffering from a loss of a loved one hope that they are in a better place? if it was proven that those claims were false, it sounds like you would be okay with them doing it because it gives people hope. You say Christianity offers hope that things will get better, but so does Islam, Mormonism, and Friea the supernatural fairy :manny: but are the claims real? this video is a great example of a guy giving somebody hope even though his claims are false, yes he is a fellow Christian giving hope to people that have illnesses and handicaps





People are going to do what people do and I know people look for truth where it doesn't exist. There is a much larger percentage of people that play the lotto then attend church. I know some people who have gotten disillusioned after a few years in church but have no problem with the lottery after 25+ years. Some prefer casinos and as you said psychics. Even better there are TV prosperity preachers asking for people to sow a seed and get back 7xs their investment. Sowing a financial seed is not biblical and people do it everyday.

There is nothing I can say or do that will override someone else's free will. I can show people the chances of winning the lottery, I can show the arrest records of ms. Cleo, I can show the payouts done by casinos but in the end people are going to do what they want. It's not that I'm OK my thoughts are what happens when a person finally understands the big payoff or whatever they seek will never be realized and fair warning was given?
 

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I will admit the easiest part of talking with you is it will not change the facts. Did you know the book of Job is one of the earliest accounts stating the earth is a sphere floating on nothing? Did you know Paul correctly described the currents in the region during his travels while other scholars got it wrong for hundreds of years afterwards? Did you know we know and have more documentation for Jesus than Aristotle, two different Caesars and Plato?

Don't stick with what the discovery channel says. They have been caught lying many times.
what do you mean two different ceasers?
 
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